In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. That’s the first verse from the Gospel of John for you fedors out there who don’t know. What does that even mean? Word? The word was with God, the word? What is word? We’re going to talk about today. This is going to be an episode of Not Related. Go to notrelated.xyz for the other episodes.
We’re going to be talking about a little bit of biblical theology, but really in a wider pagan context. And that is to say, I’ll go ahead and say there’s this idea out here that a lot of people have. It’s sort of a vargatir idea, and it’s the idea that, you know, Christianity in some senses was an interloper in Europe. It was this strange alien religion that came here and radically changed everything. In reality, I want to talk about the Stoic backgrounds of Christian theology and, I guess how Christian theology has to do with Neoplatonism and Hermeticism and some other things.
I want to mainly focus on Stoicism in this video. I think it’s most important because the Gospel of John, in many ways, although it has some other elements in it, I mean, this first verse, “In the beginning was the word,” does not make any sense in the modern context. One fact of life is that, you know, when a thousand or two years have gone by, the mental, the way that people think has utterly changed. And this is something, in order to even understand this verse, which you hear a lot if you, you know, go to church or read your Bible, it’s something that no one, I feel, has a good understanding of. So we’re going to discuss it now.
First off, that verse, “In the beginning was the word,” that actually is, of course, an obvious parallel to Genesis 1: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” But let’s discuss what this actually means. Now, word, the word “word” here, in the beginning was the word, that of course, now the New Testament was written in Greek, and the word in Greek for word is the word “logos,” okay? L-O-G-O-S. And that is one of those words, it’s one of those concepts that defined Europe for over a thousand years, and now, especially since the Enlightenment, has been totally lost to time.
The word actually originated in, I guess you could call it Stoic philosophy or really proto-Stoic philosophy. You know, Heraclitus may have coined the term. But let’s actually talk about what Stoicism is because, in many respects, it’s important for understanding the Gospel of John. Because Jesus, as presented in the Gospel of John, is actually the perfect Stoic man. He’s not just the incarnation of the logos, which is the most important Stoic concept, but he also represents it in his moral behavior and how he acts perfectly.
Okay, so what is logos for Stoics? Well, the idea behind, well, still what’s the pop idea of Stoicism that you probably heard of? Now, a Stoic person, if you use that in normal life, a Stoic person is one who, let’s say something tragic happens to them, okay? They don’t overreact. They don’t cry too much about it. They might not even, they might seem not to even care. A Stoic person, stereotypically, is someone who does not react to something that’s terrible. And in the same way, they might not react to something that’s really good. Okay? You might get them a great present that they might even really like, but they probably won’t react that much.
That’s what Stoicism is, but that’s Stoicism in the popular parlance. The Stoic philosophy is a little bigger than that, and behind it all, again, is this idea of logos. What is logos? What is the word, so to speak? Well, the idea of logos, it’s related to words that we have like logic and logical and stuff like that. It also sometimes is translated as speech or logic or other things like that. But how you might want to gloss this is logos is the rational order behind the universe.
Okay, and a Stoic believed that everything that happened in the universe, even things that seemed like luck or chance, or things that you didn’t expect, all of that is part of the rational order of the universe, part of logos. And the ideal behavior is for someone to be consistent, to, not that it’s not that they don’t care about what happens, but that they can accept what happens in the world as this has been an inevitability. This was something that was going to have to happen, and a wise person is one who, I guess comports his moral behavior in that direction.
Okay, so for example, let’s say we’re talking about ethics, okay? Or, you know, more what is moral behavior? Well, moral behavior is behavior that is not going to have drastic, sometimes unexpected outcomes, right? So alcoholism or drug addiction, obvious ones like, you know, if you’re philandering or something, those are obvious examples of behaviors that, in many ways, go against logos, in the sense that there’s a rational order to the world, and if you try and subvert that for your own temporary enjoyment, it’s actually going to end up biting you.
So that’s Stoic behavior. So an ideal Stoic person is one who is constantly thinking about their behavior within a wider context. Not only are they ready psychologically when tragedy occurs, but they also realize that they’re actually part of something bigger than themselves.
Now, Stoics thought of, now if you compare this to like Aristotle, okay? So Aristotle had the idea that basically everything in the universe has an individual goal, okay? So, you know, the common example is, let’s say you have a book or, well, you know, the word for goal in Greek, or it’s a little bit different, but it’s telos, okay? T-E-L-O-S. So if you see that, you know, if you hear people talking about that, that’s what that means.
So let’s say if I have a book and I, you know, drop it from my hand, its telos is to hit the ground, okay? It has this sort of, it’s moving to its natural place, which happens to be on the ground. In fact, most things built into them is some kind of goal to do something, or they have some kind of potential energy, as we would say nowadays. And that is not just in like their physical properties, but their individual people might have individual goals.
Now, Stoics do not believe in this necessarily, okay? What they believe is the universe as a whole, the universe as a whole is a giant interlocking system, okay, that interacts in complex ways, ways that we cannot necessarily see. But that system, which is often deified, like the Stoics often talk about logos as if it is God, as if it is one, like unifying universal principle, but that principle ultimately has a telos. It has an ultimate goal, and from our position, we can never actually see that goal, okay? That’s not something that’s going to be very obvious.
Okay, so one little book that I have here, is a book by Jeffrey Bardzell. And now this is not necessarily just on Stoicism, but I like this book. It’s called Speculative Grammar and Stoic Language Theory and Medieval Allegorical Narrative. Now, we don’t care about medieval allegorical narratives, but for our purposes here, it’s an interesting book because I think the guy gives a fantastic, view of Stoicism in the introductory chapters. It’s actually very, very nice.
So, you know, he opens up with a good catch line. He says, In Alan de Lille’s Plaintiff Nature, de Planta Natura, his leading speaker, Lady Natura, bases much of her argument against sin in general and homosexuality in particular on the claim that both amount to bad grammar. Okay, so that’s a funny way to start his book. But to Stoics, logos, as I said, it means the rational principle behind the universe, but it also means something sort of linguistic or grammatical. Obviously, the word is translated as word in the Bible, and it also has sort of the meaning of speech.
And the Stoics had, the Stoics actually had a pretty complex, you know, really they invented grammatical theory in the West. Most of the original documents have been lost to time. We see, we have a bunch of medieval commentators on the original documents, but a lot of the original Stoic grammar theory has been lost to time. But their view ultimately was that, language itself, logos as it is spoken language, represents this rational order behind the universe.
And, to speak well or to, you know, to use language consistently is actually to represent logos. And in the same way, you know, as this exact example of sin being bad grammar, right? In the same, you know, in the same way that bad grammar violates logos, so does aberrant, sexual morality or, or, you know, any kind of sin. All of those are rejections of logos.
Okay, now at the same time, I mean, well, how this, as, Jeffrey Bardzell actually sums it up, I’ll sum up the, I’ll read his summary of, this is on page, I want to say 16 or something like that in this book, or no, actually no, I think it’s on like page 2 of the introductory chapter. He says, he boils it down to a couple of points.
Now, he goes on in this book a little later, around page 16 or so, to say:
All things are bound together, through a complex and interconnected network of causes, which is also how the Stoics define fate.
Okay, so fate is not just some, you know, magical stuff that happens because the gods want it to happen. It’s actually just part of the interconnected system of events we don’t understand.
It is on this account that luck and chance are excluded from the system because everything has a cause, and all causes are ultimately connected, and the cosmos is rationally governed. Nothing can happen by chance.
So if you actually want to look at this, now I know I’ve started to say that this is sort of the background to a lot of, early Christian theology, specifically the Gospel of John, which I quoted at the beginning.
John actually, in his Gospel, has several stories like this. Like in John, at the beginning of John chapter nine, actually, I suppose I might as well just read it out to you.
As Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth, and his disciples asked him, saying, “Master, who did sin, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “Neither hath this man sinned nor his parents, but that the works of God should be manifest in him.” And then Jesus goes on to heal him.
So this actually gives us, to the question, you know, why do unexpected things happen? Jesus gives the answer here that, unexpected things happen so that they can be dealt with in a way that shows, you know, logos, that shows the glory of God in some sense. Now a little later on this, I’m going to go down into Bardzell’s book on the next page. He says, If all events are caused within the great network of a divinely ordered cosmos, how can humans take responsibility for their actions, good or bad?
Now, this is a good question, right? So if everything is working according to the plan, God’s plan, however that is, in this, whether in the Stoics’ view or, I suppose, in the Christian view as well, why should we, do we really have free will? Do we really, have the choice of going along or not? Okay, so Bardzell says this: the Stoics answer with a metaphor.
Imagine a dog tied by a rope to a moving cart. If the dog moves himself along willingly with the cart, it will be more comfortable for him. But if the dog does not go willingly, the cart will drag him, and he’ll go along all the same. The key point in this doctrine is the notion of ascent. For the Stoics, living in accordance with logos means, above all, assenting to it, which means recognizing and embracing events from the standpoint of the logos rather than from the standpoint of one’s own position.
Now, that can mean two things. First off, there are many things that happen, in the world that you don’t have control over, okay? Just things, the good or bad that happened to you that you can’t really do anything about. But at the same time, you also have your own behavior, your own ethical actions. And again, to do some, to commit sin, either in the Stoic view or in the Christian view, that is something that, is a rebellion against logos, and that’s just gonna get you in trouble.
For both traditions, Stoic and Christian, the guarantee of an irrational and benevolent cosmos means that any conflict between what is good for the system as a whole is, by definition, good for the individual. Likewise, human vice, conceived as a misguided and unnatural self-assertion, both goes against the cosmos and is self-negating for the individual who commits it.
Okay, so this is the view we get in Stoic philosophy.
Now, again, when John opens, his Gospel, okay, and he says, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, stuff like that, and he then goes to say that the universe is created by the Word and stuff like that, he’s actually talking, this, of course, is a non-translatable concept, but he’s talking about logos here. That is, there is a rational order that God implies, in uses for these purposes.
And the Gospel of John goes on to state that Jesus is the incarnation of the Logos. And this might sound like gobbledygook to modern ears. What does it mean, Jesus is the Word, and the word became flesh? That sounds a little outdated, whatever it means, you know, this meaning is lost. But that’s a very specific claim within, not just Stoic but wider pagan philosophy at this time.
Okay, so, when we look at the example of Jesus’s life, you can really see two themes. Okay, now Jesus, of course, gives a lot of parables and other stuff that we can talk about, but, the two venerable aspects in the eyes of Christians of Jesus is first, he is, morally perfect, okay? And of course, this is good for Stoics, like he does not commit sin, and this is good for Stoicism as well. Jesus represents someone who is not given to vices. He doesn’t, he isn’t, although he is tempted on many occasions by the devil, you know, we have the event of him in the desert tempted by the devil to take control of the world, anyone when the devil offers him the kingdom of the world and stuff like this. But although he is tempted, he never falls prey to any sin.
At the same time, Jesus has, especially at the beginning of John’s Gospel, okay, very quickly we’re told actually in the second chapter of John’s Gospel that Jesus knows that he is going to die. He knows that he is going to be crucified, and this is something that comes up repeatedly in the Gospels. You know, it was all part of the plan, the whole crucifixion and death and resurrection of Jesus, that was something that he knew from the very beginning.
So this actually gives the the Stoic ideal not just in moral behavior but in terms of not ambivalence but, preparedness for unfortunate events. Because although, you know, we as normal humans, right, when bad things happen to us or might happen to us, that is something that might significantly change your behavior. But of course, Jesus, in the example of John, presents in his Gospel, although he’s highly aware of his eventual crucifixion, he’s utterly emotionally prepared for it.
I mean, if we want to, if we want to look at the Gospel, so let’s say Luke chapter 22, there’s actually a memorable passage you may have heard of if you went to Sunday school where Jesus is praying. He’s about to be captured. He knows he’s going to be captured by Judas, who is betraying him, and by the Pharisees and all, and he’s praying in the Garden of Gethsemane. You can look up, but it’s in Luke chapter 22, and Jesus is so nervous. I mean, well, maybe I shouldn’t even say nervous, but he is concerned for his future. He knows what’s going to happen, that he, according to the Gospel, he starts sweating blood or something that looks like blood.
And this is chapter 22, verse 42 - 44, saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but thine be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him, and being in an agony, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was as if it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. So he says, of course, although he’s going through the suffering, it’s not that Stoicism does not mean being a psychopath. It doesn’t mean, not being involved. I mean, obviously, you’re going to have reactions when something bad happens at some level.
But, what Jesus presents, of course, is that although he knows that this is going to happen, he ultimately goes through with it because he knows it’s part of logos. It’s part of the plan, right?
Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but thine be done
Of course, in John, John 18:11, he says, Put up thy sword when Peter, of course, pulls out a sword and tries to defend him when he’s being captured. He says, Peter, put up thy sword into the sheath. The cup which my father hath given to me shall I not drink it?
So although he, of course, doesn’t want to be crucified in some sense, he has a reaction against that. He really wants more to be submitted to the logos. That, in fact, that’s who he is, that he’s supposed to be the incarnation of logos. So yes, although he doesn’t necessarily want the cup, he will absolutely drink it if his father has given it for him. So that is sort of the example that’s given by him.
Now, logos for the rest of us, of course, is something, you know, if we’re not the incarnation of logos, we obviously are not going to necessarily always understand what the rational order of the universe is, or at least we can, in some degrees, we can, you know, provide for moral behavior and things like that. But we don’t always necessarily know the logic of chance and fate and things like this.
Heraclitus, who I said I think I mentioned, was an early influence on Stoics. He was sort of before Stoics, but, in one of his fragments, he says this:
Although this logos is eternally valid, yet men are unable to understand it, not only before hearing it but even after they have heard it for the first. That is to say, although all living things come to pass in accordance with this logos, this rational order, men seem to be quite without any experience of it, at least if they are judged in the light of such words and deeds that I am here setting forth.
Okay, it’s sort of, sounds similar to John chapter 1:5, where the Gospel writer John says, And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not where light is actually used as an equivalent for logos. That actually is another motif we’ll talk about that in a second when we’re talking about Gnosticism. But the light versus dark duality in the Gospel of John is another thing worth talking about.
Logos is something that for a normal human, the thing you have to understand is that human reason, although, human reason is just a small subcomponent of logos, which is divine reason, the divine, order behind the universe, and we can never fully understand the true essence of it. Okay, so that means in real life that we have to have a kind of Stoicism. We have to realize, oh well, you know, I don’t always know what’s necessarily best. I’m gonna do what’s morally right. I’m gonna be stoic whenever something bad or sometimes when something good happens and that sort of is the ideal behavior for a Stoic and arguably for a Christian in this understanding as well.
Again, like it’s like the metaphor of the dog being dragged by a cart, right? So you can either go with it, or you can go with logos, or you can have a bad time, you know, living with your own vices. That is the worldview that’s, sort of shown here.
Now, there is one important difference where the Gospel writer of John, the Gospel writer John differs from, I guess, Stoicism, and that is, Stoicism usually, of course, they talk about logos, they talk about the rational order of the universe, but another word for logos, in early writing is the Greek word cosmos.
Cosmos, you know, which of course we have in English, we understand that to mean like the universe or something like that. But John’s Gospel writer actually does not like this word, okay? Or at least Jesus in the Gospel of John, this isn’t necessarily the case in the other Gospels. Like there, you know, there are a couple passages that sort of seem like this, but all over the Gospel of John, Jesus makes the distinction between those who are of Christ or those who are of logos and those who are of the world or, you know, cosmos in the original.
So just to give you a sampling, I mean, there are like literally dozens of verses like this in John, whereas they don’t exist in other Gospels. But just to read a couple, in chapter 7, verse 7, The world cannot hate you, but it hateth me because I testify of it that the works thereof, that is, of the world, are evil. In chapter 12, He that loveth his life shall lose it, and he that hateth his life in this world, in this cosmos, shall keep it unto life eternal.
Okay, chapter 15, If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. Or, and in chapter 17, I have given them thy word, and the word hath hated them because they are not of this world, even as I am not of this world.
So there’s this sort of distinction between the logos, which is a Christian distinction. It doesn’t necessarily exist, at least to my knowledge, there might be someone else who distinguishes this.
But for Christians, of course, there is a, just there is divine, the divine order, and then there’s a worldly order, which is, I guess, in an ideal world would be, in or in line with the divine order, but it’s not necessarily like that. Okay, now this is a pretty important distinction, right? Because, it really sets up what is talked about as the kingdom of heaven in a lot of the Gospels, right? So there’s a kingdom of heaven and there’s the kingdoms of this world, right?
Now, one thing that’s important to remember, like, you know, a lot of the reasons that, Jews came to reject Jesus is because they were expecting, a king within the cosmos, a military, sometimes political king, a messiah who would come and save them within their temporal struggles, their political struggles, which at the time were, okay, they were ruled by the Romans. So there were a lot of expectations at that time that if there were a messiah, and of course there were other messiah claimants at that period who actually did, lead, you know, around the year 70, of course, there was a big revolt that actually got, you know, Jews massively killed by the Romans and the temple destroyed.
A lot of people, most Jews at that time, of course, expected the messiah to be something like that, right? Now, Jesus, of course, did not do that, and the message of the Gospel, so to speak, is actually very different from that expectation. It is one of a divine logos. It’s one of, you know, basically it’s this: okay, the real victory is not a victory against, something temporal or some kind of worldly enemy. It’s really, Jesus sets the example of what ideal ethical behavior is. He shows us the logos. He’s, or that he is the logos, and the real victory is the victory against sin, which happens in individuals, okay?
And that is something that later goes on to bring the world within, you know, that brings the world within God’s order, but that is not, it’s not a military conquest. It’s sort of the original subversion of expectations that is that the battle happens within you, not outside. It’s not a top-down struggle. It’s something that, you know, the new covenant, so to speak, as they call it, is, you know, something that basically amounts to human self-improvement by the grace of God.
Eventually, the logos has achieved more people have gotten closer to the divine ideal. Okay, and again, this is very different. Like, a lot of people look at the Old and the New Testament, they say, Oh, well, they both have, you know, moral standards that we have to keep to. But there’s a little bit of a difference. I mean, if you look at Levitical law in the Old Testament, I mean, really most of that is actually political law. It’s, you know, how do you run a society? What do you do if this happens or someone does this? You know, you have to stone someone for doing this or that or something like that.
That doesn’t necessarily exist in the New Testament, and it’s not because, you know, a lot of the things in the Old Testament are just not sins in the New Testament or something like that, but the priority of the New Testament is a kind of introspection. You know, Jesus says, you know, Don’t look at the, speck in your neighbor’s eye if you have a log in your own. That is your obligation. You know, the New Testament does not give you a formula for political management. It gives you a formula for, victory and sin in an individual’s life.
And in essence, you live up to that Stoic ideal. At the same time, of course, Stoicism is not actually the only pagan philosophy that’s at play here. Now, I will, I do want to make one more note, though, okay, before I even go on to that. Notice the, okay, there’s this straw idea out there that before Christianity, what people believed in is, you know, a bunch of hokey gods. They believed in Jupiter and Minerva, or, well, you know, the Greek equivalents, and they believed that those are the forces of the universe.
Okay, but the reality is, if you look into the actual philosophical school, like that, you know, people in public would believe in things like that, they would talk about, you know, gods as being, you know, there being dozens of gods. But if you look at actual philosophers, they usually have something that’s closer to believing in monotheism and believing in one God.
As a parallel, if you look at India, okay, India gives us an example of one of the only polytheistic religions that’s practiced at a huge scale. Okay, Hinduism, of course, stereotypically has millions of gods, maybe more, more gods than practitioners. But if you actually really look into Hindu philosophy, generally the interpretation is that all of those gods are just reflections of one core essence. They’re all reflections of Brahma.
And the interpretation of that might be different in different schools, but the idea is that all of these gods sort of reflect some, you know, higher oneness of God. And of course, Hindus who are philosophically informed will speak about God, you know, capital G, God as one thing. In the same way that, you know, a Muslim or a Christian might. So the idea, I think a lot of people try and make this really rigid distinction between monotheism and polytheism.
It really is just, it’s not as firm as people think. And in the West, that is true as well. If you look at, especially the writings that were happening around the time of Christ, if you look at Ovid’s Metamorphoses, there’s this little creation story at the beginning, and he’s very ambivalent exactly who created the world. He said something like, Well, God created the world and it doesn’t go into specific names, and the gods themselves come out later. You know, there’s this idea, and again, all these philosophical schools, Stoics believed ultimately in one divine essence, the logos, in the same way Neoplatonists who came around around the same time as Orthodox Christianity, they believed in one, you know, the one, as they call it, as Plotinus called it. They believed in one God behind to them all.
And it actually, Plotinus believed in a trinity. That is a trinity of the one, the intellect, or the logos, and soul, which is, you know, you could probably actually think of the spirit, similar concepts. And I don’t know, maybe I’ll talk about those later. But when you look at it from that perspective, Christianity is not necessarily that different from the pagan philosophies at this period. It’s not as if there is some hostile takeover of some alien religion. Christianity fits, you know, there’s a lot of compatibility. A lot of these peoples who were writing pagan philosophies could also read Christian philosophies and understand that.
And again, the Gospel of John, that statement, In the beginning was the word makes no sense to us. It makes lots of sense in that period. But anyway, one other pagan philosophy that’s definitely worth talking about, especially with the Gospel of John, is what’s called Gnosticism. So Gnosticism comes from the Greek word for gnosis. Gnosis means knowledge, okay? And Gnostics were seeking after the knowledge ultimately that the physical world is evil.
Okay, so Gnostics were influenced by Platonism. So Plato, of course, I don’t know, I don’t know if guys know, I don’t know if this is common knowledge, but so Plato basically believed that, okay, there’s a material world, but the material world is actually a pale reflection of reality. There is really a reality of forms, of ideas. And of course, when I say ideas, don’t necessarily think something in your mind. I mean, there is some kind of greater, maybe spiritual reality where the true essence of things are, and the world that we live in is a pale reflection of that.
I mean, you might remember, Plato’s cave, the parable of Plato’s cave, where Plato says, What if you had a bunch of people and you raised them in a cave and they were looking at shadows of things and they were just chained there and they could only look at the wall? Okay, his view is basically that’s how we are, okay? We’re only seeing pale reflections of reality.
Now, Gnostics took that one step further. They said, Okay, we are in the material world is a pale reflection of reality, but it’s also evil. Gnostics believed that although God created the entire universe, there is a deviant creature, which is somewhat analogous to Lucifer, Satan, or the devil. They called him the demiurge. But Gnostics believed that, okay, well, the world is actually created by this demiurge character, okay? And therefore, the world is actually evil. All right?
And there were many Christian Gnostics at this period. They eventually lost, you know, they, as time went on, if you look at John’s epistles and other writings, you actually see that, you know, they’re mentioned as antichrists. They’re mentioned as people who deny that the world was created through Christ, that deny that, you know, he became flesh, you know, and stuff like that. Because Gnostics basically believed that, in fact, Gnostics even wrote some Gospels, okay? At least we have fragments of them. We might have a full Gnostic Gospel, but they, of course, they were writing these Gospels quite a bit later than, the Gospels we have were written.
But some of them depict Jesus as, you know, Jesus being crucified and his spirit is just standing by watching everyone laughing, you know, saying, Ah, well, you’re just killing my material form. That doesn’t really matter. That’s the Gnostic philosophy. Gnostics ultimately believed that the world was evil.
Okay, now Christians, if you look at the theology of the Gospel of John, they don’t necessarily think the world per se is evil. Of course, God created the world, and the world was good. That’s what Genesis says. But they do think that there is this cosmos, there is this worldly order that is not necessarily the same as the divine order, as we mentioned. So Gnosticism was sometimes a temptation for Christians who wanted this more Platonic, Gnostic way of looking at the world. But as time went on, the Gnostics lost out. There are some inconsistencies with the Bible.
It’s hard to believe that God created the world and the world is good, if that’s what you believe. But Gnostics sometimes actually ended up rejecting the entire Old Testament. They’re like, Nah, that’s something that’s, that’s something different.
So that gives you sort of a feel for the intellectual environment at the time. So Christianity was not necessarily an interloper in any of these viewpoints. It was something that sort of worked off of and was very compatible with philosophies at the time, although often butted heads.
One other little metaphor that’s shared between at least the Gospel of John and Gnosticism is the metaphor of light and darkness, right? I think I quoted from early in the Gospel of John where, he speaks about, you know, the light shines in darkness, and the darkness didn’t understand it. Or now that might seem like a very common metaphor, but it’s only common because it was popularized around this period. It’s not necessarily even used in other Gospels. It’s used in John.
It was actually a common Gnostic metaphor, but it’s also used among the Essenes. If you look in the Dead Sea Scrolls and stuff like that, a lot of early philosophical texts, including Hermetic texts as well, will occasionally talk about, you know, there being a distinction between, light and dark. That’s a common metaphor, you know, between knowledge and lack of knowledge or truth and lies. All of those are used very commonly by, that’s why it’s a sort of a more philosophical Gospel than the other ones.
You actually compare it, you know, for those who don’t know, like the other three Gospels are usually called the synoptic Gospels, and that’s because they sort of give the same synopsis of one big story. The Gospel of John doesn’t differ terribly, but, you know, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, they’re sort of more focused on Jesus healing people.
And, you know, the general consensus is that Matthew and Luke both read Mark and, took texts, basically took passages from it, whereas John is probably independently composed. But that’s just details. That’s not for today. I’m just rambling at this point.
So let’s review a little bit, and I’m going to draw this episode to a close. Now, you may have noticed that although this is an episode of Not Related, I have not read donations and questions this episode. And the only reason that is is because I’m thinking about doing that in separate episodes now. So I think in a couple days we will have an episode, a kind of review episode of the Feyerabend one, and I’ll go over comments and questions, and I’ll talk about other things. It might be a little more casual than a usual episode.
I just want to get, I want to do those separately, I guess, and I might stick with that. I might go back to the original, but, so let’s do a little review of what we learned. So again, a lot of these passages in the Bible actually make sense within their original context that has sort of been lost to time.
Okay, and they are often in that sort of original Greco-Roman environment, the pagan environment. It sounds weird to say that, but they were part of a wider philosophical, I guess, view of the world, going on here. So Christianity, as I mentioned, I did mention in passing, I think, the notion of the Trinity and how’s that, how that is related to Neoplatonism, and some other philosophies as well.
But here we talk mostly about logos and Stoicism. So both for Stoics and for Christians, the ideal is not just moral behavior but the ability to look at the things that we don’t understand about the world and be okay with them. Even, of course, if we are going to be, you know, if you see things around you that you cannot control, they are a part of logos. They’re going somewhere. There is some kind of goal to the universe. Both, Stoics and Christians believe that, maybe in different forms.
Christians, of course, additionally have a distinction between the logos and the world, the cosmos. That is, there is an evil order in this world. That’s not to say that the world is evil like the Gnostics think, but there’s an evil order in this world. We live in a fallen world, and part of the Gospel message is reorienting this world, which eventually will pass away, but reorienting this world with divine logos.
So anyway, this has been an episode of Not Related, part Bible study this time. If you have any questions, send them to luke@lukesmith.xyz, or lukesmith.xyz/donate to donate, and I read donations in, you know, the next episode or whenever I do donation reviews. So that’s about it. Hope you learned something!
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@ShengalengTheYapper - 2021-07-21 07:49:39
The holy pill is strong in this one+609
@hunter6953 - 2021-07-21 07:49:40
take the god pill+38
@owlstep887 - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
Better than red, black, blue etc+22
@kooolainebulger8117 - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
we must spread the God pill+17
@Nekrumorfiini1 - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
@kooolainebulger8117 Hang on, I gotta hop on my boat with a million different animals with no food to feed them for a year first.+2
@kooolainebulger8117 - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
@Nekrumorfiini1 God finds a way+7
@Nekrumorfiini1 - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
@kooolainebulger8117 So does cognitive dissonance.+4
@estebansteverincon7117 - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
First prove anything is actually 'holy' or that a 'god' exists.+1
@Office_De_Receiver_Complaints - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
@Nekrumorfiini1 We all seek harmony.+3
@vernedavis5856 - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
I sense the cadence of stadium preacher. Using English, in microcosm, is off-putting, considering the 2,000yrs of translations, good, bad or indifferent. Q+1
@bandolierboy1908 - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
@estebansteverincon7117 The existence of everything itself is enough proof of God. What are the odds that there are so many intricate and orderly systems that make up our very existence, and what are the odds that we exist, all in the midst of a supposedly chaotic, random, and disorderly universe? What are the odds that the conditions that make up our existence just happened perfect enough to suit us being here? There had to be a creator behind such order in our universe+13
@Polar_Onyx - 2023-07-21 07:49:40
@bandolierboy1908 I also like to ask people that ask for proof of God to first give me a proof of reality and then I can give them a proof for God (if they give me a proof then I can usually use their same line of reasoning to prove God but if they say it's impossible then obviously aren't worth arguing with since they don't exist according to their own view)+7
@noneofyourbusiness7965 - 2023-07-21 07:49:40
@Nekrumorfiini1 Answer the question, what story are you referring to? I've never heard of such a thing.+1
@christpierre - 2023-07-21 07:49:40
@bandolierboy1908 Also the second rule of thermodynamics, thinking the universe got more organized from chaos is silly+3
@Jessep369 - 2024-07-21 07:49:40
Spread their holy pill. I know I was lost for so long I finally humbled myself and took a dose I think most of the world really needs it+2
@henkerr - 2024-07-21 07:49:40
Golden pill.+1
@phonypony6637 - 2021-07-21 07:49:39
Alright, you've convinced me. I'll finally install arch for God's sake.+928
@DawsonFord - 2021-07-21 07:49:40
*atrtix now+53
@tealc6218 - 2021-07-21 07:49:40
Install Pony OS because of your nom de plume+16
@mathisblair2798 - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
@DawsonFord why artix over arch? Just curious.+2
@DawsonFord - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
@mathisblair2798 systemd was the reason. I use macos so I can't be based anymore.+3
@joeschmoe3815 - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
Temple OS. It's even written in Holy C+15
@junkaccount2535 - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
Literally, do it for God's sake, His sake, Amen+1
@enermaxstephens1051 - 2022-07-21 07:49:40
@DawsonFord Better already be pretty good at linux... I ran into a lot of apps that wouldn't install because they relied on systemd. I will wait for the artix repo to grow much larger. Which will probably take a few years.+2
@chimimiiiii - 2023-07-21 07:49:40
@enermaxstephens1051 i retried artix now after a year and I can tell you things have got much better+2
@baileyharrison1030 - 2023-07-21 07:49:40
@enermaxstephens1051 honestly I don’t get the systemd hate. It doesn’t slow down the system compared to, say, a runit distro, and it handles a lot of system tasks and makes handling services way easier.+1
@enermaxstephens1051 - 2023-07-21 07:49:41
@baileyharrison1030 I certainly wouldn't want the system slowed down. But surely they can't all be slow. As for the SystemD hate, it's probably more like fear. It does tend to creep into new areas where it's not really needed or wanted. I've also heard that much of it is a "black box", that few people understand. Although I'm not sure that's true. It's probably because it's new and doing things the non-linux way. People generally don't want one entity having too much power or control in Linux. Keeps us safe from the evils of the world, like microsft.+1
@bograham6221 - 2021-07-21 07:49:39
This verse is what converted me. I began to really believe in the Logos, and then I realized that John says "that's what God is, dude."+607
@xlittlep - 2021-07-21 07:49:41
In St. Augustine's Confessions, he describes his exact same conversion. He was reading the latest and greatest philosophy of the Neo-Platanists, and he realized that their new understanding could be perfectly summed up by the opening of John's Gospel.+82
@adrianbiber5340 - 2021-07-21 07:49:41
Me too! I was reading Matthew, Mark and Luke and was thinking, this is instruction. And then when I got to John he says, Jesus is the Word made flesh. And I was like, yes!+43
@jamieg2427 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
i'm curious how/why that converted you. honest question.+8
@bograham6221 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@jamieg2427 The existence of the Logos (as fate, tao, oversoul, etc.) was already convincing enough, and is necessary to stoic philosophy. Of course I've had other personal experiences, but that really just clicked. Simple as that.+34
@jamieg2427 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@bograham6221 1. what made you believe logos exists in the first place? 2. it's then very important to ask, "what is logos as you understand it?" because i think this video gave both of us very different takes in logos. 3. what role do you think anecdote should have in truth formation? i started to write my own answers to the above questions, but i'm trying to focus on other people's opinions more these days.+11
@mandalorian4620 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@jamieg2427 Logos is physics and metaphysics. Logos is why stuff has a tendency to accumulate into higher order organisations, instead of just fucking around which they should technically do due to entropy and illogical quantum mechanic stuff. Logos can be identified with tao, so it is what holds everything together. If you really grasp logos you will grasp a bit of why divinity makes sense, and what it means that Jesus claimed "i am the truth, the way and the light". It drew me away from the materialistic belief in Jesus as a person (still was atheist) and more into realisation what the grander concept actually means, or rather in platonic terms it allows one to see the forms rather than the images.+37
@jamieg2427 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@mandalorian4620 the second law of thermodynamics says NET entropy never decreases. that means, entropy can decrease in a small regions as long as no decrease occurs overall. also, the tendency to accumulate is due attractive tendencies such as gravity and electromagnetism, yeah?+4
@bamremix8235 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@jamieg2427 Logos is logic. It is the reason why Logic emerges in an apparently illogical universe. Can a meaningless universe create beings who look at the Universe for meaning? How? Can logic emerge from an illogical universe? I doubt so+15
@jamieg2427 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@bamremix8235 just saying something is impossible doesn't make it so. here is how---and i'm not saying this with certainty as i don't think we have the information to speak with certainty on this; i'm merely proposing a mechanism: emergent behavior refers to unexpected behavior resulting from simpler rules. we see this all the time in nature. it is entirely possible this is how consciousness is produced. so there you are. i've given you a potential how. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯+2
@bamremix8235 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@jamieg2427 see i feel it's illogical(in the formal sense) for that to happen. Logic is the reason we are able to have this conversation in a "meaningful" way. Any argument which suggests that logic emerged from something illogical would itself be illogical. The words ‘emergence’ or ‘complexity’ appear to fill the gap, but on further dissection the concepts they appear to confirm disintegrate. It's just irony when one uses logic to claim how logic itself emerges. Logic doesn't do that! In a strictly formal sense(i bet you a universe of cause and effect would necessitate that) logic shouldn't emerge from nothingness. Unless we have a Logos. That is why we can create computers and not the universe. There's no intelligence.+13
@jamieg2427 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@bamremix8235 i never said logic emerged from the illogical. meaning is a different concept from logic.+3
@bamremix8235 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@jamieg2427 yup they different but they finally depend our perception of the universe+2
@kerovibe - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@adrianbiber5340 did you read matthew 27:46?+1
@whalingwithishmael7751 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@jamieg2427 life doesn’t violate entropy. Entropy is the amount of energy in a system available to perform mechanical work. For some reason it’s grossly conflated with organization.+9
@jamieg2427 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@whalingwithishmael7751 i just reread my comments in the discussion. could you explain what i said that implies that life would violate entropy? i'm not sure what i said that made you think that. by "violating entropy", do you mean violating the second law of thermodynamics? mixing the idea of entropy and organization is not entirely wrong. boltzmann viewed entropy as related to the possible arrangements or states of particles in a system. the units of entropy are energy per temperature though, so saying it's a measure of energy available for mechanical work is not accurate either (it's proportional), and i believe chemical work can be extracted as well. all that said, this seems like a big tangent for the discussion. logical conclusions do not define reality as there may be factors that are not being considered. incomplete knowledge necessarily limits the relevancy of logical statements---which i believe falls under the "argument from incredulity" fallacy.+2
@ludlowaloysius - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@mandalorian4620 headcannon+2
@g7-farrer - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@jamieg2427 Logo's in a rough translation is as Luke Smith say's, "the highest order of logic" I.E. logic, as an derivative and/or apart of the concept of truth, is in some sense, “logo’s” is the truest order of truth, or some might describe logo’s as the most logical order of truth. It’s not to say that god exists or anything, but if there is an "order" to differentiate the illogical to the logical, can we quantify the spectrum of logo’s, amongst the axis of logic and illogic? The opposite of the logo’s, is the opposite of logic. Logo’s is the most accurate description of “god” yet. As in logos, or "god" is quite literally proper mathematical logic that allows everything to exist. The two polar opposites of logo’s have a realm of theology. Religion has covered these topic’s extensively. Most people who dismiss theology, (or the school of ethics as its all tied down to), ignore, are ignorant to, are unaware of, concepts such as the logo’s that seem to have profound consequences if it is ever discovered to be true or applicable to our reality. Not following the logo’s, could be interpreted as fear-mongering in its extremes. Religion has done a really fantastic interpretation of this has the realm of “hell”; don’t follow the logo’s and you will be cast to the realm of illogic. Yes, this interpretation is not true, but it has a parallel to a very truism of perceived bad action always has a perceived bad consequence, and the “bad action” is therefore illogical. Anyways, I can keep typing like anybody is going to read this. It’s a fascinating subject. And thinking about its philosophical consequences is a step forward in understanding our nature, and the nature of existence.+15
@jamieg2427 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@g7-farrer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i'm reading. it's fair if we want to assign divinity to logos, though there is a lot of baggage that comes with this. maybe that's okay: why should we let the majority interpretation of god defined as a wilful and powerful actor define our discourse. at the same time, what does stripping the word "god" of its usual meaning add to the discussion? genuine question. most empricists already believe in a logical order to the world, so is logos simply a more ancient approach to a similar idea?+2
@g7-farrer - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@jamieg2427 The problem of devising whether god is real or not, is our abstract descriptor of it. The contention of god many people have is that it is a conscious, all-powerful entity that can make any willful decision it wants (like creating reality), "exists", while there is no defining evidence for it. And rightly so, but defining god amongst those boundaries will logically lead to the statement, "there is no god" due to god as an entity not being apparent. Our understanding of what "god" is, has not been presented accurately to any of us. God can and could exist, in a form incomprehensible to the human mind, theoretically could be presented in front of us, but its interpretation of itself could be so vague, none of us could understand what it is. We'd be still arguing about its existence due to our faulty perception. I think the "Logo's", the philosophy of truth and logical order, is devising abstract statements about truth and rendering each statement's contextual implication's as "true" or "false". Just by using mathematics, can we reduce infinite, abstract contextual statements, reduct the nonsense from the sense, and only keep the logical. What would the implication be? That would be a far-reaching practice but it's in order to understand inherent truth. Unless the definition of "truth" doesn't exist, everything is not defined with truth, or simply everything in every conceivable way is not true, then "logos" does not exist, and our reality is defined as "not true". Could be the case that logical order is relativism.+1
@jamieg2427 - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@g7-farrer while i agree that the usual definition of god includes an all-powerful entity, the usual definition also includes the notion of "incomprehensibility": "god works in mysterious ways" they say. regardless of a hypothetical god's incomprehensible nature, if god is not leaving some comprehensible mark on the world, then god's existence is unfalsifiable. anyhow, what's interesting to me about math, which you alluded to, is that math points to fundamental truths. however, many of those truths transcend our reality itself. in that sense, if logos is what underpins the universe, mathematics is yet a level deeper---a superset of ideas that includes the logos we've been discussing, as well as others. this is why theoretical physicists can propose novel mathematical frameworks for the universe, but have to wait for experimental confirmation. the internal consistency of a hypothesis is, unsurprisingly, not enough to mean the hypothesis is correct. either way, it feels like logos is approaching mathematical truth, which i doubt was the original context for the concept of logos! hmm+3
@MsDuketown - 2022-07-21 07:49:41
@jamieg2427 1> without logos no comms, no legacy, and no Scripture.+2
@bamremix8235 - 2023-07-21 07:49:41
@mistymoor7114 what even? where did that come from? :')+1
@g7-farrer - 2023-07-21 07:49:41
@mistymoor7114 Good depiction but a boiled down interpretation, and my definition of “logos” is “the most logical, pure, complete, and sensible possible order out of all interpretations of order”.+2
@webjev430 - 2024-07-21 07:49:41
I know this was 3 yrs ago but I had the same experience. I was raised Christian but I had trouble understanding the doctrine of the trinity and the nature of God. It wasn’t until I read that first line that I just instantly felt like everything clicked. I didn’t even know much about the logos but upon studying it more (and the memra) it truly strengthened my understanding of God and trinity+3
@allanlangat2813 - 2024-07-21 07:49:41
Same to me , my belief is thoroughly rooted in the Logos espoused in the Prologue of John.+2
@-GrindTime - 2024-07-21 07:49:41
Logos is the nature of life itself. The fact that morality is rigid and not objective highlights the idea of there being a Logos. God, Gods very character and nature imputed into laws to govern our world, and made flesh to show us the Logos.+1
@thijshaker6451 - 2024-09-21 07:49:41
Amen!+1
@Chris-fn4df - 2025-01-21 08:49:41
God is a metaphor, as is heaven. The reality cannot otherwise be conceived by minds still bound to the mundane.+1
@askellabsalon7737 - 2025-02-21 08:49:41
AMEN+1
@VADemon - 2021-07-21 07:49:39
You just conveyed a year of philosophy, latin, history and religion in 40 minutes. One of a kind video. Thank you+274
@altnhans - 2021-07-21 07:49:39
38 minutes and 57 seconds were well spent. Never expected to learn that much in one video on YouTube+113
@Swrd - 2024-07-21 07:49:39
"unexpected things happen so that they can be dealt with in the glory of God" what a beautifully put sentence, genuinely gave me goosebumps great video will rewatch again I'm sure of it+16
@user10cool - 2021-07-21 07:49:39
Underrated channel.+188
@kmmmsyr9883 - 2022-07-21 07:49:39
Came for Linux and open-source, stayed for Christian lore+221
@bin4rym4ge - 2023-07-21 07:49:42
same+5
@KellerBi3r - 2023-07-21 07:49:42
😂 yuuup+2
@thegreatestpursuit - 2024-11-21 08:49:42
Amen brother+1
@askellabsalon7737 - 2025-02-21 08:49:42
Best comment I've seen lma9+1
@SheepFace - 2021-07-21 07:49:39
It's funny how people these days tend to think that only just recently, suddenly, we got smart and society stopped "sucking". That's just blatantly not true, and in fact, one could argue we got worse. Technology and "ease of access" to information does not make the world inherently better, and it certainly doesn't do much for society.+108
- 2021-07-21 07:49:39
that image is epic+72
@ngngdlnald9657 - 2023-07-21 07:49:39
Thank you for representing the message of Christianity properly. Most people construct a caricature they can attack. You were simply educational.+43
@eblom366 - 2022-07-21 07:49:39
this is more impactful than anything that has ever come out of the lips of my zoomer youth pastor. Big ups, Luke.+28
@owendejong9088 - 2021-07-21 07:49:39
I really enjoy studying what is called soteriology in Christan doctrine; one of the lesser known views known as Molinism, essentially it is: God takes account of what a human would freely choose and uses their will as a part of his plan for the world. I think It's a cool idea to study and fits well with what you were talking about. Enjoy the video :)+106
@Justadudeman22 - 2022-07-21 07:49:42
Yes I too believe in free will and His plan cooperating together.+16
@zappodude7591 - 2022-07-21 07:49:42
We're the Moriarty to His Sherlock. We can do whatever we want, but in the end, He's too smart for us.+11
@kelyncrandall7452 - 2022-07-21 07:49:42
If you believe humans have free will, you don't hold the same view as Stoic philosophy or the New Testament. The allegory regarding the dog tied to a cart does not illustrate free will, but limited choice. The path of our life is mostly determined by forces outside of our control, and we can choose to follow or resist. Jesus likens our lack of choice in salvation to our lack of choice in birth in the beginning of John 3, and Paul tells the believers at Ephesus that they were predestined to salvation and "conformity to His will" in Ephesians 1. These are just 2 examples of what appears many times in every New Testament book: when it comes to salvation, we have no say. Therefore, we do not have free will, but limited choice.+4
@littlesneets8026 - 2023-07-21 07:49:42
E+1
@lifewasgiventous1614 - 2023-07-21 07:49:42
@kelyncrandall7452 Free will is what 99% of people regard as limited choice, I don't think anyone is under the pretense that we can will everything in life.+8
@exitvelocity34 - 2021-07-21 07:49:39
What a superb surprise! LARBS + great theological/philosophical discussion. Luke, your theology is spot on. So rare outside of local church these days to hear reminder of victory from sin and glorifying God as the whole point to it all. I'd just offer the following for additional discussion: ..."the Word was God.(2) He was with God in the beginning. Jesus is the Word - the fullfillment and all that it entails. I What the Bible specifically says regarding Stoics - Acts 17:18-28 (Context is Paul at the Aeropagus and proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ to those who were Epicurean, Stoics, etc.). The takeaway is certainly that worship of false idols and interest in new theological discussions (just for the sake of hearing something new and interesting) may be "religious" in nature - but not ultimately beneficial -- apart from God. Also, regarding the dog drug by cart metaphor. This is a great point to bring out that I never thought about till now. I think some of that philosophy has crept into modern Christian thinking from the standpoint of prosperity. In essence, "being a Christian will make your life so much better and easier". Certainly not a true statement, nor should it be but I see that expectation all over the place. Back on point. Being drug by a cart is not desired and possibly due to our own sinful choices (vice) but it could just be a result or God's will. I think you made that point regarding the blind beggar -- but just thinking of some of the pagan thought creep into "modern Christianity". I could go on but it's YouTube comments so ... Great video sir!+48
@jerre438 - 2022-07-21 07:49:39
This video is spot-on. I have been studying stoicism for a while at university and really have to commend your explanation and portrayal of it.+17
@micahsnyder7299 - 2022-07-21 07:49:39
Came for the free software, like most, but I’ve really been getting into your intellectual/philosophical/essay content. Really good stuff.+23
@hiddenknowledge6333 - 2021-07-21 07:49:39
I've heard people say "ok, but how can you believe in a PERSONAL God". That's exactly why Christianity makes the most sense to me because we don't view God as an impersonal force or vague "consciousness". Essences, universals, divine exemplars, the "Logoi" which are the energies of the "Logos" are ideas in the mind of a personal God named Jesus Christ.+56
@miguelatkinson - 2023-07-21 07:49:42
I don't see how that is different from certain religions+1
@kaxerrr - 2023-07-21 07:49:42
@miguelatkinson Faith saves, not works.+6
@miguelatkinson - 2023-07-21 07:49:42
@kaxerrr when did I mention anything about works or faith and also there are some Christians who might disagree with you on that one+1
@kaxerrr - 2023-07-21 07:49:42
@miguelatkinson So? Other religions are works based when it comes to their interpretations of salvation and enlightenment.+4
@miguelatkinson - 2023-07-21 07:49:42
@kaxerrr well yeah that's what I said... .+1
@kaxerrr - 2024-07-21 07:49:42
@jacquesdemolay4516 Forgive me for that I should have been more clear, Faith alone doesn't save, but works without faith is dead and vice versa. I said it like that because other religions like Islam is works based salvation. I agree, to be saved there needs to be repentance and works along with faith.+6
@OnTheEdgex23 - 2024-07-21 07:49:42
@kaxerrr can you explain how Islam is work based compared to Christianity?+1
@goyworldorder - 2024-08-21 07:49:42
@kaxerrr Sola Fide is a heresy, Church Fathers were explicit about faith + works. this comment is a year old though so apologies if you've come to a different conclusion+1
@kaxerrr - 2024-08-21 07:49:42
@goyworldorder I'm Orthodox now lol so no problem. Sick channel btw if you don't mind what do you use for editing?+2
@goyworldorder - 2024-08-21 07:49:42
@kaxerrr hey thanks man appreciate it, i use After Effects and Photoshop. thanks for checking the channel out, God bless you ☦+1
@oppie47 - 2021-07-21 07:49:39
Personal story: I’m 37 year old American (for context) and got caught up in the New Atheist movement of the mid 2000’s and lost my faith then. At the time, I associated Christianity with the stupidity of the Neocon boomer evangelicals and learned to hate Christianity and I became somewhat of a shitlib as a result. It’s so refreshing to see the rise of this older more traditional Christianity that stands for something real and not just giving cash to Israel. Even though I’m still technically an atheist, I have really begun to respect Christianity as I get older.+170
@chrkrngl - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
36yo kraut boomer here. Got evangelized/baptized in 2000. And just been through what you said about neocons + evangelicals. Can relate to your story. Also I went pretty "hard core"/orthodox/baptist and in my view I was shocked to see false teachers everywhere. Hillsong? More like Hellsong. Just one example. I couldn't find dirt on C.H Spurgeon though. But all TV evangelists, prosperity gospel teachers, and even in good congregations the "workshop"ization of faith. And every "modern" BS hype from the US. (while we have our very own problems and own demons.) And sorry I hate contemporary Christian music with a passion. Also think about the music industry is even more evil than Hollywood. And that's something... >"We" should never forget that we are hated by the world and should not do business with the world. (Not in a way like "repairing the world", like in Judaism). This world is f****cked beyond repair. And yet we praise God by doing something good(tm) with the time given to us. By living a good life by His laws and so on (e.g. getting married, having kids...) Btw I like this "dialectic" in Christianity, there is always hope for a 'katechon' (see Political Theology by Carl Schmitt) delaying the anti-Christ, the ultimate end (times), so we fight against this world becoming more crazy and more evil by the day WHILE knowing that it is a battle we cannot (and should not) win. And at the same time we wish and hope for our Lord Jesus Christ to fix this world (from outside), after the end times. Christ defeated death. Everything is won. (for us) While everything is lost (for this world). My grandpa called death "the last/final enemy". Having to go through the process of dying (and it's ramifications like very limited life time, which creates debt btw. Debt in capitalism is just the redistribution of debt t by the Original sin.)... Where was I? Having to go through the process of dying is the only thing where God's adversary has any hold/grip on us. As you can imagine I'm struggling to find a church/congregation. But I have my prejudices and maybe false pride. But boy, I believe it maybe is even more difficult in the US. Still I'm always amazed how I feel guided through the Holy Spirit. It's an essential piece, becoming born again, receiving the Holy Spirit. And I'm absolutely not into Charismatic or Pentecostal, I think those movements are hijacked (kundalini spirit). Essential finding 2-3 like minded friends and/or believers is enough. Read the word. Pray together. "And you will know the truth and the truth will set you free." (John 8:32)+27
@thatoneuser8600 - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
Markas Michmel wdym, agnostic is just an additive description to which type of theist/atheist you are. Most atheists are agnostic atheists, and most theists are gnostic theists. It's rare to hear of an agnostic theist or a gnostic atheist.+14
@acatacho - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
American brand of Christianity is pretty much what you described there televangelists that say that Israel is god's chosen people and other moronic stupidities, and no proper study of the philosophical undertones of what is written in the book, or context upon which you can build upon.+13
@Εμτι - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
I think as a fellow atheist, it;s not that christianity has changed, but you grew older and "wiser" and dont think anymore as someone who recently lost his faith. As far as i know, everyone who loses his religion is bitter about it. They usually though will get over that bitterness and start respecting that other people can live differently than them andd usually CHOOSE to believe because it helps them in some way.+8
@siegfriedkircheis9484 - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
You are mischaracterizing evangelicalism+1
@clocked0 - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
@siegfriedkircheis9484 True, the money doesn't go to Israel..the money instead goes to a private jet. Maybe two. Gotta sow your seed so I can make sweet sweet money 💰+4
@johanb.7869 - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
@Εμτι I'm not bitter about loosing my faith. And I don't dislike believers, but I do believe that religion is the root of all evil. It drives people apart instead of together.+2
@wpg_wizard - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
@User 7999 And therein lies the problem with Varg's philosophy: it's a wonderful philosophy once you remove the hatred from it.+1
@wpg_wizard - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
@User 7999 Well... maybe YOU can't.+1
@wpg_wizard - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
@User 7999 I don't hate myself. I'm better than that.+1
@FaithEdits - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
@wpg_wizard Make sure to send your money to Israel.+2
@wpg_wizard - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
@FaithEdits No+1
@FaithEdits - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
@wpg_wizard If you live in America you already are sending money to Israel by taxes, so it was sort of a trick. You'll find this certain demographic gets their income from multiple other countries too! Gentiles are so impressionable.+3
@wpg_wizard - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
@FaithEdits Congratulations? I don't know...+1
@jezzamobile - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
@chrkrngl 👍+1
@scottgrieger4594 - 2021-07-21 07:49:43
@User 7999 If you find it to be true in the slightest that the Christian God is real, the Jew thing doesn't matter at all.+2
@spanky4446 - 2021-07-21 07:49:39
Came because I couldn't figure out how to configure the suckless software. Now staying for the spiritual enlightenment. Good stuff luke, this is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels, especially as I go through your old videos.+13
@Jupiter__001_ - 2021-07-21 07:49:39
Thank you Luke for this interesting whirlwind tour of the philosophies that were part of the heritage of Christianity! It was very insightful.+40
@joeschmoe3815 - 2022-07-21 07:49:43
Stoicism is older than Christianity.+1
@Jupiter__001_ - 2022-07-21 07:49:43
@joeschmoe3815 Keyword "heritage"+2
@rockytom5889 - 2022-07-21 07:49:43
@joeschmoe3815 So is writing and reading, use it.+2
@joeschmoe3815 - 2022-07-21 07:49:43
@rockytom5889 No! I will never own up to my illiteracy! You will never catch me alive! jumps out of window+1
@rockytom5889 - 2022-07-21 07:49:43
@joeschmoe3815 This has the same energy as: "History will remember you as a fool" "WELL THAT DOESN'T MATTER, CAUSE I CAN'T READ!"+1
@PirateFunk - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
I've been looking for a concise explanation of logos for a while. Thanks Luke!+16
@solomonxie5157 - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
have been following for quite some time and very glad to hear the biblical talks+11
@jonathanetheridge4108 - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
This video was absolutely amazing, thank you brother 🙏+18
@adrianthomas1473 - 2023-07-21 07:49:44
The relationships between Stoicism and Epicurean teachings and Early Christianity is remarkable. We have reduced Christianity to a simplistic salvation formula and the deeper Logos philosophy of life has been lost. Who now would look to Christianity for a deeper understanding of reality. The Church has lost the Logos and modern Christianity is dominated be versions of the Prosperity Gospel. It’s so very tragic and the older teachings need to be recovered.+6
@hermenutic - 2022-07-21 07:49:44
Thanks. Understanding the concept of the Logos as applied to Jesus was conducive to expanding my faith. It is a wonderful way to consider or meditate upon the meaning of the Incarnation of Jesus ( the embodied Logos) when studying his parables about the Kingdom of God. It is a productive format for meditation+8
@arrtemfly - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
okay now i will call anyone with bad spelling gay and the dude won't be able to disagree+36
@trailblazingfive - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
This is some quality content; request for sources regarding stoic philosophy in it's non-popcultural form 🤠+66
@GiantRobotIdeon - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
Meditations by Marcus Aurelius is a good start.+20
@highfructosedreams - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
Discourses and Enchiridion by Epictetus, Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, and Letters From a Stoic by Seneca are the most popular ones+9
@godsarmy8746 - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
Epictetus+4
@jesuschristislord6790 - 2023-07-21 07:49:44
The word is Jesus Christ. He can and will save you. Repent,accept and follow him to freedom. Free as in free and free as in salvation.+11
@Benjamin-jo4rf - 2024-12-21 08:49:44
the logos is actually a pagan deity and was around hundreds of years before Jesus was born.+1
@mathematicalninja2756 - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
2 videos in one day. I’ve been blessed+7
@kaiser02.y - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
Ok, this is epic+81
@brettkelly6053 - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
More like this. Excellent and necessary.+13
@sorrysirmygunisoneba - 2022-07-21 07:49:44
Loved listening to this. I’ve been following stoicism just casually for a few years since I discovered a Meditations (an incredible book, it was logos that it wasn’t destroyed). It has only been recently when I began to see connections between this and Christianity. If you strip it down to its bare basics you can see a lot of links between the two if not the same concept or foundations, which holy book would you say is closest to the foundational logos and cosmos view?+34
@joeschmoe3815 - 2022-07-21 07:49:45
The Enchiridion is even better. Way more streamlined. You can find it free on the net.+4
@rinonegro98 - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
Student of Eastern Christian Theology student + Cybernetics Engineer here! my OS -> minix3 (all right yes... virtualised in my fedora, although I am moving towards my own OS); my text/programming editor -> vim. prefered text editor for essays -> vim + latex. Some Christianised esoticism: When facing adversity, we could try to face it as the Logos faced the cross, by "suffering impassibly" (St Cyril of Alexandria); because when we loose, we gain (Philippians 3:7-10 NRSV) Mind blowing!+12
@paquitojhs - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
Wow this is some quality content. I truly appreciate this video. Anything that will allow other people to know the Truth is good in my eyes! Thanks Luke. I knew you were a good guy when I started watching your videos.+9
@chrishamberg8028 - 2022-07-21 07:49:44
2:20 No, "logos," is not lost to time. It is the same word as logo, log, and logic: the symbolic representation of an abstraction (thought.)+6
@fififinance7469 - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
So happy to have found your channel. Great wisdom. Starting from a similar place and want to be able to unshackle for freedom, good luck with the plan and excited to follow along with your channel.👍+9
@kyraiki80 - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
Uhhh can you say based?+16
@MrJoseklon - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
My bothers gather around and listen to the gospel of our apostle Luke 🙏+9
@almasabdrazak5089 - 2021-07-21 07:49:44
I'm a simple man , when I see a new episode of not related I just smash the like button+15
@akaneamano4368 - 2023-07-21 07:49:44
I was learning linux from your channel and the contents are really good. But it is this video that gives me the reason to hit the subscribe button.+3
@joachim847 - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
Thanks Uncle Luke!! I wasn't aware of the relation between cosmos and logos in Stoic philosophy. Saint John can be confusing -- God loves the cosmos, but we are forbidden from loving the cosmos (probably in First John somewhere).+13
@dingusdangus1790 - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
Someone's been hanging out on /lit/ again. Soon he's going to start talking about Evola.+69
@thescrawl6594 - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
I always got the feeling that Luke was more /lit/ than he was ever /g/+20
@ryanharp5352 - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
Luke is Butterfly+2
@fenixman2 - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
guenon is the new litcore meme apparently. Honestly, luke is much more entertaining than /lit/, its almost insulting to associate the two.+7
@francisnorthwood7862 - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
You are wrong if you think he is browsing imageboards zoomer+3
@thescrawl6594 - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
@francisnorthwood7862 of course he doesnt currently, but that doesn't mean he doesn't embody the /lit/ spirit+6
@chrkrngl - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
I clapped because I know the Demiurgon from Netflix!! * le sôy face * (great video! thank you.)+39
@jayc9940 - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
LOVE THIS <3 MORE THEOLOGY PLS+13
@wojteksowinski248 - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
I gotta say, as someone who's read Marcus Aurelius, I found this a lot more enlightening than I expected. I'm an agnostic atheist so I don't buy into any of the Bible's supernatural claims but this video did give me a new appreciation of Christian philosophy.+23
@alexandrudaniel8068 - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
Based and Christpilled.+31
@nomore9004 - 2022-07-21 07:49:46
@folksurvival Both+2
@Itoldyouso-q1v - 2022-07-21 07:49:46
Волны смерти? Где ты получил ваш имея?+1
@unc1589 - 2024-07-21 07:49:45
Christianity WAS a strange doctrine to the Romans. Christianity is superior to stoicism and all the other philosophies. In the book of acts, Paul goes to Athens and corrects the stoics and all the other philosophers..+4
@sparta117corza - 2024-10-21 07:49:45
9:40 3 genuinely blew my mind.+2
@cookiedestroyer402 - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
On a related note the Celtics converted quicker than most other groups, They had a very sacrifice based religion and when they heard about Christ's sacrifice on the cross it was almost they said "oh its all over now"+18
@Jupiter__001_ - 2021-07-21 07:49:46
Yes, also the Celtic religion already had strong understanding of the concept of Trinity, hence why all the common Celtic symbols have three in one as the central design element.+6
@KPenceable - 2021-07-21 07:49:46
Wow sounds like totally well researched information+2
@Jupiter__001_ - 2021-07-21 07:49:46
@KPenceable Are you a Celtic historian, or have you at least studied the Celtic religion and history? I am Irish, so I study it sometimes in my free time. Did you know that the Druids (the priestly class in Celtic society) were actually critical in the conversion of Celts to Christianity? Indeed, they were some of the first among the Celts to convert, understanding Christianity as the fulfillment of their religion. Indeed, it was they who went on to become the first priests and bishops of Britain. Compare this to the resistance of other groups to Christianity, for example the Romans, who persecuted and attempted to crush it with all their being, as it was seen as a threat by many Roman Emperors.+9
@MrPianoMatt12 - 2022-07-21 07:49:46
@Jupiter__001_ really interesting, thanks for your comment. Know any good books about the celts?+1
@Barbastruzzolo - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
That passage from John is read every time at the end of the Traditional Latin Mass+44
@cvoges12 - 2021-07-21 07:49:46
Wow, seems that they've kept to their roots or had a deeper understanding of the text+12
@mirmarq429 - 2021-07-21 07:49:46
TLM gang!+9
@Christopher-ew7jw - 2021-07-21 07:49:46
We (the majority of the Roman Catholic Church) never should have left the TLM.+13
@neame-bh3uq - 2021-07-21 07:49:46
@Christopher-ew7jw the Roman Catholic Church should have never left the patriarchy+9
@crusaderACR - 2023-07-21 07:49:46
@neame-bh3uq I don't know what you meant with this. The Patriarchies (plural) are alive and well in Catholicism.+3
@XYReason - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
I knew dude about these stuff. I acknowledged my myself as an orthodox christian, just because it had stoic sense to it. Then I've met stoic philosophy and couldn't find much difference, but stoicism is much more minimalistic! Nietzsche was a stoic, and had great influence on most of dictators about existential topic. So I was always distant to philosophy of nihilism as such, and I considered myself like pessimist(in physical form) and opportunist(in spiritual form, like eager for spiritual abbundance) so I discovered philosophy of absurdism (Alber Camus had most influence on my standpoint).+8
@chrisbohn3746 - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
best episode of not related yet!+5
@PeterShieldsukcatstripey - 2022-07-21 07:49:45
That did so much to help me understand my faith better. why can't the church ever make church history so accessible? moving from rules to doing i guess is the synopsis. sure puts luther's grace by faith alone into question.+6
@KingZero69 - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
love this show... please make it more often+8
@andrewu2480 - 2022-07-21 07:49:45
Thanks for this video. I really like what you said about "the victory being a victory against sin, which happens in individuals". Hearing that was necessary for me.+2
@alejandrosrwebmaster - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
English translation of the Bible lost so much depth!+22
@dlbard1 - 2021-07-21 07:49:46
That and many other words in the English Bible.+4
@usernameispasswordisusername - 2021-07-21 07:49:45
God bless you Luke+6
@YawnGod - 2022-07-21 07:49:45
May The Algorithm bless this video.+4
@arturorochoa9359 - 2023-07-21 07:49:45
it's weird. I agree that the perversion of words from it's original meaning can lead to sin: bad grammar is sinful. As a bilingual of English and Spanish, I'm afforded the luxury to know two languages; I noticed that, I think different when it comes to speaking one language to the other and vice versa: In English I'm more able to do technical stuff involving the cellphone or filling out a bank account application for example; In Spanish, for me is more of a socializing language. Spanish for me is ecclesiastical language for me as well, since, I was raised to do my prayers and attend mass in spanish. In English, I feel I don't bond well with the Lord. I go out of my way to speak Spanish to God, since I grew up attending in it(mass). Of course growing up bilingual, I had trouble communicating and expressing myself since, I'm neither good in speaking either language. I felt alone, I hated it. I hated innuendos, they make me heave. It does not mean I don't say them, but, food is food. I should not have to feel disgust in enjoying food. All things have a time and a place. I guess, I hate the lack of respect.+7
@musikteca - 2024-07-21 07:49:45
Isn't weird that the Logos meaning "the Word that sustains all things" in the Bible, could be associated with the Universe being sustained by vibrations and waves in quantum mechanics?+3
@saeedradmehr1976 - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
I always enjoy your lectures.+6
@kurooaisu - 2024-09-21 07:49:47
I just realized something: Jesus Christ cannot be the stoic ideal. To be a stoic, it requires that there are things inside and outside your control. Jesus Christ is God, which means everything is inside his control and nothing is outside his control. It's not that he's not stoic enough or he's too stoic. It's just that the framework doesn't work on Jesus.+4
@kurooaisu - 2024-09-21 07:49:47
@tagtraumhoch2 A stoic might wash someone's feet if he needs to do so, but that's completely beside my point+1
@patrickprucha5522 - 2024-07-21 07:49:47
Very interesting presentation. I do appreciate the efforts that you have put into this for us! Thank you!+2
@Sitzkrieg - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
luke smith used arch so much they put him in the bible. truly a scholar of the ages.+4
@robertwilkins3167 - 2023-07-21 07:49:47
Tarsus, Saint Paul's hometown, was a Stoic stronghold.+3
@krisdabrowski5420 - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
The real pill is that the Old Testament is a historically accurate document. Christianity can't be an interloper, if Christ has always been with humanity. What's eternally true is, in fact, actually eternally true.+5
@krisdabrowski5420 - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
The Ancient Egyptians literally have it in their mythology and belief system that if you want to truly destroy someone, you wipe out the memory of them. This calls their ability to record historical events they'd rather forget into question.+2
@krisdabrowski5420 - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
Since Jesus is God, and is identified as the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament by Orthodox sources, and Christ himself claims to be so, then we can only conclude that Christ himself dictated what happened in the past to Moses, who was a prophet of the past. Jesus is the most trustworthy source, because He is Truth himself.+3
@krisdabrowski5420 - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
Zu I'm just not interested in hearing hypothetical histories. I go with what's certain and divinely revealed. There's too many disagreeing secular historians that just make things up to justify what they want to be true. I go with the tradition of the Orthodox Church that has retained the same truth since the beginning of time, and whose Saints have lived the same holy life that the Apostles lived.+2
@krisdabrowski5420 - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
If you're interested in learning about some of the more recent Saints, with recent accounts of their sanctity, holiness, and miracles, look up: St Paisios the Athonite St Porphyrios St Seraphim of Sarov St John Maximovitch the wonder-worker Blessed Xenia of St Petersburg All the Saints who are united to the truth in their very being believe the same thing, that the Old Testament is divinely revealed and historically accurate There is no greater corroboration of what the truth is than between people for who the laws of their flawed and fallen nature were no longer a burden . :) God bless you on your search for truth+2
@krisdabrowski5420 - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
Zu I never said that Merenptah didn't exist, what I question is your hypothetical reconstruction of what you think happened in the past. That's why I appeal to the Saints, who get direct revalation from God as to what is true or not. Two thousand years of Saints living the same kind of miraculous lives of sanctity that Christ promised to us is pretty good historical evidence if you want to look into it :)+2
@brotherman1 - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
Agreed, I'd add it presents the most cohesion as well. Modern historical takes rooted in secularism are often in conflict and are essentially an incompleted puzzle, yet proponents will act as if they have the foundations all figured out.+2
@jcs315z - 2024-10-21 07:49:47
I couldnt not think of anything else after this video...been avoiding it...thank you for your work in this video+1
@rightwingsafetysquad9872 - 2022-07-21 07:49:47
Wonderful talk. I don't think the stoics believed the world was "going somewhere" as if it had a per ordained path or was following a plan. It was more that the world has a method of operating that is unchangeable.+6
@clintonleonard5187 - 2023-07-21 07:49:48
Think about it. Everything is cause and effect. The universe certainly is heading to a preordained point. Free will is an illusion, so we can't deviate from this path at all. How could it not be predetermined?+1
@bobhope5114 - 2024-07-21 07:49:48
Well their focus what was in their control..so any considerations of the transcendental may have been only considered secondarily.+1
@bluwng - 2023-07-21 07:49:47
Are you some Stoic warrior and intellect or do you just like researching these things? Can I count on you during hard times and in battle or will you run?+5
@SamAndrew27 - 2024-07-21 07:49:47
Tech, Christianity and Stoicism?! I've never subscribed so quickly.+2
@Magnus_E - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
λόγος and τέλος, still exist in modern Greek and are being used frequently. Τέλος is used more often with the meaning of "end" (even in movie endings) or "tax". Modern greek pronunciation is like loh-wos (with w like in WHat) and teh-los (with teh like in TErritory). Idk about the "erasmian" pronunciation in ancient Greek, though.+6
@stuckmannen3876 - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
So glad I found your channel! Stay safe...many good channels are getting banned these days+4
@baalzebuth8431 - 2022-07-21 07:49:47
Stoicism is the way to ultra instinct but you need over 9000 battle power to unlock it.+5
@Konishi14 - 2024-10-21 07:49:47
One of the most fascinating things in philosophy in my opinion is the amount of similarities between the concept of Logos and the concept of the Dao+1
@MartinsTalbergs - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
Loved it!+6
@videorelaxant2780 - 2022-07-21 07:49:47
Best episode of Not Related imo+2
@TheLonelyMoon - 2024-08-21 07:49:47
Two extreme sides of Arch Linux users. High thigh femboys/fedora tipping athiests, vs God fearing based users, specifically Gentoo (looking at you Mental Outlaw) God is good 🗣🗣🔥🔥+3
@Deibi078 - 2022-07-21 07:49:47
Based jesus+6
@Raccoonov - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
Wow! Thanks, Luke! ❤️+3
@anonapop2614 - 2021-07-21 07:49:47
Well done!! I really enjoyed this. Watched 2x just to make sure I really got everything. Very nice.+2
@logos8631 - 2021-07-21 07:49:48
EPIC stufff+5
@weirdshort_YT - 2022-07-21 07:49:48
Turns out I'm a stoic and I didn't even know it...lol+7
@gxkdykxiyx1985 - 2023-07-21 07:49:48
Same!+3
@Dan-pi6dx - 2021-07-21 07:49:48
Very nice my brother+6
@justins7796 - 2021-07-21 07:49:48
listened to this 3 times now, thank you :)+3
@bahathir_ - 2021-07-21 07:49:48
The 'word' is set of commands which rules the universe. SImilar to computer languages making system working in order.+4
@jaimeibarra8210 - 2022-07-21 07:49:48
He is before all things and in him all things hold together! Colossians 1:17+2
@wantedsavage7776 - 2022-07-21 07:49:48
This is very base.+3
@unfairtrout - 2021-07-21 07:49:48
Gonna watch this as soon as I’m done watching TV+4
@galacticusX - 2021-07-21 07:49:48
Great treatise! Although I'm an atheist I greatly appreciate traditional wisdom and a metaphysical approach to things. That's why I have steered clear of materialist modern atheists.+8
@occisoft8082 - 2021-07-21 07:49:48
This is so good+6
@billkillernic - 2022-07-21 07:49:48
Τελος means end but this is the meaning that it mostly has in modern greek in ancient greek if you used the word ΤΕΛΟΣ(τέλος) it could be translated as "end" without loosing too much of its meaning but there was more to that word, it meant completeness e.g hence the word τελειότητα (means perfection) which has as a root word the word τελος so to be complete means to be perfect. By that you can think of τέλος being related to the word integrity in english if you are integerous it means that "no piece" of you is missing you are complete you do not need anything because you are now finalized (final meaning also end and it is not a coincidence I think). Κόσμος exactly doesnt mean people it means world but under the context of its population, all humans on planet earth are planet earth's ΚΟΣΜΟΣ. It can refere to "smaller" ΚΟΣΜΟΙ (kosme) most frequently as a metaphor e.g the roman κόσμος as in "the world of romans" or all the people that make up the romans, people as word is just more than one human so it is not exactly the same.+6
@bergkajian1257 - 2021-07-21 07:49:48
A stoic and a Christian eh? Nietzche would love to have a talk with you...+31
@goodczar7136 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
I don't think Nietzsche wanted to talk to anyone. Also he wasn't an apologist he more just laid out his beliefs rather than argued for them.+21
@markm2092 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
Have you read the Bible. Christianity = true stoicism+8
@markm2092 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
@Alan Crane He lived out his philosophies, that’s why his life was miserable+18
@than9025 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
@markm2092 eh i’d argue it’s kind of a quasi-stoicism more than anything, i grew up under one of the more stoic doctrines and i can tell you from experience that most christians just have faith to perpetuate their own faith, and care nothing for the human condition which is what defines true morality the quickest+3
@markm2092 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
@than9025 That stems from the belief that the glory of God is worth more than the human condition morally. The reasoning is that the human condition comes secondary to God, anyone who places it above God is acting immorally.+5
@than9025 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
@markm2092 fact, i think it’s important to see that as the main problem with faith based religion. when you don’t have to prove what you’re talking about, you can justify anything+2
@markm2092 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
@than9025 I see what you’re saying, you need to realize that people with faith do often try to prove why they believe what they believe, but rarely are our arguments even taken seriously. We are ridiculed for attempting to prove anything faith-based even though apologetics is a legitimate study, this often leads us to reject trying to jump through hoops to validate to others why we believe what we believe. A lot of times, religious people are perceived as overgrown toddlers or weak minded or even just plain stupid, why would we then overlook that and still try to please others by justifying why we believe on their own terms.+1
@than9025 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
@markm2092 i understand that, i grew up christian and went to a christian school, studied apologetics and all of that. christianity does have a practical use, but the practicality that it does have is just becoming more and more useless and absurd in such a post modern world. i have met a small handful of people who have faith and are genuinely kind, but that kindness comes from them, and rarely the people they worship next to, thus it does not come from god or a third party. we need to take accountability and stop all this forgiveness shit. the world is burning and the human condition will not be held accountable until it’s too late and the rich are killing us off. the bible can only teach truths if it is viewed as a symbol, not the perfect word of god+2
@markm2092 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
@than9025 The 20th Century History is brim full of men who rejected God so they could take the world into their own hands to save it, mold it and do as they please, the bloodiest century, the century that created the most vile and vicious ideologies was a direct result of men and women usurping the authority of God for their own perceived ideals. You’re right, the human condition is to blame for sure and responsibility should be held by us as humans but that doesn’t mean we place ourselves above God, that often leads to death and destruction historically, no matter how ideal it may sound.+4
@markm2092 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
@than9025 hmm what genocide? Very strange statement to make. No one has a copyright on the nature of reality, those who reject God are just as subject to delusion as the religious. Again there are many attempts by the religious to provide for that burden, but rarely are our attempts accepted. We are ridiculed for trying to lift the burden so we often reject even attempting to do so, we are content lifting it within our hearts and minds and in private meetings, why go into the public arena and try to lift the burden when all attempts to do so are spat on by most of the general public. I’ll attempt to read the book you have recommended to me. I haven’t been religious all my life.+5
@ethan1268 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
The man lost his mind when he seen a horse being beaten, need we say any more? His mind was both a gift and a curse and he had no cosmic purpose in which he could control it.+2
@atrius4665 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
@than9025 Given the link between religiosity and fertility, I would argue that in an era of declining birth rates, Christianity has only become more practical in a macroscopic sense.+5
@gareth7762 - 2021-07-21 07:49:48
Amazing stuff, thank you hope to hear more+3
@notsharingwithyoutube - 2024-07-21 07:49:48
I would suggest writing a script for your videos.+2
@morphsuitmeele1171 - 2021-07-21 07:49:48
Oh boy a luke Smith video, time to watch instantly+7
@davidporterrealestate - 2021-07-21 07:49:48
for you fedoras out there! lol+45
@justins7796 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
😂😂😂+4
@pauljohnson7791 - 2022-07-21 07:49:48
Mr. Smith, thank you for this explanation/exposition - I've never heard these concepts presented in this way. It has always been either Hard Western Protestant Christian or Hard Atheistic Mocking. Interesting to realize no, no protestant churches are talking about these things when they discuss the "times of Jesus". I know what you meant when you said "telos" means goal, and I saw someone tried to clarify that. I think "goal" is sufficient for your point. I learned "telos" or "teleos" in Rhetoric and then was surprised to find it in Matthew's gospel translated "perfect". I think of it like Matthew kelly: "the best version of yourself". Thanks again, I'll be perusing your other videos/talks.+2
@tommytrieu416 - 2021-07-21 07:49:48
Amazing ... Well analysised+3
@gareth7762 - 2022-07-21 07:49:48
Please do more on the logos, even some book recommendations to find out more would be appreciated!+2
@finnofaman4557 - 2023-07-21 07:49:48
I kinda always saw logos as a representation of collective consciousness. If we are part of god and his creation i could say that means we are a part of evolution and perhaps universe is a womb and God is the end point of evolution.+3
@frontiervirtcharter - 2022-07-21 07:49:49
The 'Stoic Ideal' sounds very similar to a description of Vulcans in Star Trek ... showing emotion is discouraged, calling something 'logical' is pretty much the ultimate compliment from a Vulcan...+3
@crusaderACR - 2023-07-21 07:49:50
Good parallel. In a way, a Vulcan is the ideal Christian. I find the idea a bit funny for some reason.+2
@Chris-on5bt - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
Thank you, I really enjoyed this.+4
@MattyFez - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
Is this hinting towards a deeper dive into phenomenology?+6
@con_sci - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
Check out this guy John Vervaeke for more detail on the development of Stoicism, Neoplatonism, Gnosticism and Christianity.+6
@anon7692 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
Bird is the word, man!+8
@brycie_boy - 2025-01-21 08:49:49
This is mind blowing big dawg+1
@luciengrondin5802 - 2023-07-21 07:49:49
10:03 "3. Language maps isomorphically to reality, so to study languages is to study reality. However as time passes, and humans degenerate, the relationship between language and reality becomes increasingly distant." Well, I'm sure some people will argue that reality is "problematic", anyway.+2
@Lay-Man - 2022-07-21 07:49:49
When you read Ecclesiates or the book of Job seems like there's some elements of stoicism.+3
@jverk4 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
I've tuned in for linux content for years, but this may be my favorite video yet. Any chance for a UGA meetup?+3
@IanDryGuys - 2024-07-21 07:49:49
@lukesmith Wow, most excellent explanation of Logos and the history behind it. I can see by scrolling through the comments that you draw some intellectuals, so for this reason I am grateful to have found you. I have been studying logos for a couple years now, the concept was introduced to me by E. Michael Jones who wrote: “Logos Rising”: A history of ultimate reality. What I have struggled with since understanding the word logos, and it seems you are touching on it, is the idea that Logos IS God as many translations of John 1 state. I have learned this is a foundational principle in Triune God and Oneness doctrine. I think to interpret “and the Word WAS God” as “and the Word IS God” requires a presupposition that I have grown less and less comfortable with. I don’t think “the Word IS God” is True based on the definition of what Logos is. Here is my rational. You mentioned in this video that Logos can be defined as “The rational order behind the universe.” My current working definition of logos is “The collective thought of God.” God, however, in my knowledge of God, is not a principle, order, rational, or collective thought. He is, in my understanding, The Creator, The Source, The Originator of principles, order, rational, thought and even the Universe itself. This distinction between the rational order of the Universe and the Creator of the rational order of the Universe -and the Universe itself - seems to not equate to “Logos IS God.” Perhaps, as you so clearly articulated, the Stoic would recognize “the logos IS God” as ultimate reality but not the “Christian(for lack of a better term). Logos IS God is in conflict with this idea of God as the rational order behind the Universe. So is the Logos God? If Jesus IS Logos and Logos IS God than principles, rational, order and logic, are God. If Kosmos and Logos are inextricably linked, as you stated, then there is no separation between the way of the world and the way of God. If Logos IS God then there is no Creator, Source or Originator but only rational order. If God=Logos then God=rational order and Christian =Stoic. It all implies that there is no God but only rational order. Do Christians worship the Order or do we worship God the Creator? Is “and the Word was God” a mistranslation as I suspect? Would love to hear your thoughts on this. Grace and Peace be with you.+2
@raymondfoster9326 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
God Wills brother.+3
@SquidShield - 2023-07-21 07:49:49
Not only does The Word have stoic connections, but it also comes from the Old Testament. Who spoke to Samuel? The Word of God. "The LORD continued to appear at Shiloh, and there he revealed himself to Samuel through *his word.*" 1 Samuel 3:21. God reveals himself to us through Christ, the Word. And this Word has existed since the beginning, with God, and is itself God. John 1:1 When you read the Old Testament with a true understanding of The Word, you'll be awestruck.+2
@coyote.foxtrottango - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
Word.+11
@dacho707 - 2021-07-21 07:49:50
literally+7
@stuckmannen3876 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
Christ is King ✝️👑+12
@stuckmannen3876 - 2021-07-21 07:49:50
@cEiMFIgqXsgFkI1 lol...+3
@tellmey1 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
If anyone searched: Speculative Grammar and Stoic Language Theory in Medieval Allegorical Narrative - Jeffrey Bardzell. pdf available on z-lib+5
@arturorochoa9359 - 2023-07-21 07:49:49
Luke, my dude. You just re-affirmed my faith an principles for me. It is weird since, I have watched the execution of King Charles the first short-documentary, and the conviction and condemnation to death of an inocente prisoner, from Los Angeles; The point I took from all this is, the behavior of the individual is important and to take it with stride. There are things outside of our control and our actions affect everything around us.+3
@DawsonFord - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
thankyou+3
@afallingtree9114 - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
this has more plot holds than a block of Swiss cheese. taking knowledge from many different sources is the only way we can paint the full picture (including Christianity), in fact i did this myself for 14 years and only then did i find what i was looking for. thats usually too long or hard for most people (understandably) so they look for the easy solution and call it a day, theres nothing wrong with that at all, just dont go around thinking your smarter than everyone without at least attempting to painting the full picture+6
@crusaderACR - 2021-07-21 07:49:50
>dont go around thinking your smarter than everyone without at least attempting to painting the full picture Elaborate. Your comment seemed to do just that.+3
@afallingtree9114 - 2021-07-21 07:49:50
@crusaderACR yeah i probably should have specified, but by no means am i smarter than everyone around me. i would consider myself (from my point of view) to be objectively smarter than those who do not seek information (as you would expect), however i still learn new things every day meaning there is still things i dont yet know. in other words, i know that i dont know, which i personally see as "smarter".+1
@PeterShieldsukcatstripey - 2022-07-21 07:49:49
yes i did learn something for sure. thanks very much.+2
@VincentTamer - 2021-07-21 07:49:49
Hello Luke. This episode came to me at a really excellent time. I also listen to Bronze Age Perverts podcast and he did an episode similar to this speaking on Gnosticism. To keep it brief, I've been trying to find the right cosmology for myself for some time now, bouncing from a more Christian approach, to denouncing Christianity and Abrahamism and now I am looking again and Christianity with a more open mindset. As you mentioned in the video there are some who view those religions as usurpers of Europe. I too was in that camp but now I am finding that perhaps what I need most is to come back to what my ancestors have done for so long. I really enjoyed this episode, it is prompting me to do some research.+5
@VincentTamer - 2021-07-21 07:49:51
@blindmechanism6555 Do you also cringe when you coom into a sock after your evening skyrim binge?+2
@crusaderACR - 2023-07-21 07:49:51
Now, two years later, have you come to any conclusions?+2
@VincentTamer - 2023-07-21 07:49:51
@crusaderACR Yes, I've been baptized into the Orthodox Church :)+4
@reaves479 - 2022-07-21 07:49:51
So in this sense, stoicism and Christianity are compatible?+4
@wealthy_classare_criminals1521 - 2023-07-21 07:49:51
Definetely!+2
@PeterShieldsukcatstripey - 2022-07-21 07:49:51
Jesus fulfilled the law and now with a connection to God the next step is to have it fulfilled in you.+2
@ezengondolkozom3700 - 2021-07-21 07:49:51
godpilled+30
@robienob89 - 2021-07-21 07:49:51
When will you have a podcast?+3
@angelsanabria4457 - 2021-07-21 07:49:51
lo habia escuchado 3 veces antes y recien le entiendo+3
@HelvecioGomes - 2021-07-21 07:49:51
Christ is the way.+8
@jacobvalenzuela2546 - 2022-07-21 07:49:51
Hermeticism mentioned in the first 60 seconds? Take my money!+2
@WorBlux - 2021-07-21 07:49:51
John is a very different gospel than the three synoptic gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke). Considered the last cannonical gospel written, and target towards from the Greek worldview.+3
@Thomas_McCoy - 2024-07-21 07:49:51
The Logos is the operating system of reality+2
@DissonanceRiver - 2024-10-21 07:49:51
Only the Word will save you. The Word Himself gave His life to redeem you.+1
@lukecash3500 - 2024-07-21 07:49:51
Bit of a wide blanket over Gnosticism. The Gospel of Thomas could have been written as early as Mark, and in any case all four canonical gospels could be second century anonymous writers.+2
@ОлегОленев-я3о - 2021-07-21 07:49:51
Yes, please, talk about Plotinus.+2
@asolopovas - 2021-07-21 07:49:51
Did you ever listen to biblical series of Jordan Peterson, I think you might like them? It does feel like some order of which we are unaware really exist, and the reason why we can't really understand is very similar to bacteria that exist and lives inside of your stomach or anywhere else on your body. They do behave in a certain way without really knowing what your intentions are, but their way of life may result in the death of the whole colony as well as the body of yours, or in the prosperity of both, depending on the path they choose.+4
@chrkrngl - 2021-07-21 07:49:52
>the meaning of the system lies outside the system+1
@asolopovas - 2021-07-21 07:49:52
@chrkrngl so true+1
@pareraphael6035 - 2022-07-21 07:49:51
All these things sound very nice and are very useful tools for the mind (it's very useful to believe there is a universal order and a cause to things, for example.) However, all claims that the philosophy of Logos approaches the truth of how our world really works is laughable. It is also something of a regression regarding the progress modern philosophy has made.+3
@flatearthtravolta6585 - 2023-07-21 07:49:51
Why is there a globe in the screenshot. No globe in the Bible but there is a firmament.+4
@Hero_Of_Old - 2023-07-21 07:49:52
Based+2
@user-qn3ox9in1k - 2022-07-21 07:49:51
Yes. But a problem with Stoics in the modern is that they act like the external reality doesnt exist. The modern world impinges on the internal more and more. This is a big problem in the post modern environment which is constantly trying to tell you that your internal state and external environment are just your perception.+2
@dislikebutton1718 - 2022-07-21 07:49:51
Perfect explanation!+2
@andredarin8966 - 2023-07-21 07:49:51
There’s a bit of a double standard, here. Jesus is pissed off, tears into the pharisees and it’s considered righteous anger. Someone calls his brother a fool and he is in danger of hellfire. The Logos is indeed strange in its confusing idea of what it considers sin.+2
@________----------......... - 2021-07-21 07:49:51
Bad grammar is a sin? Damn.+5
@crusaderACR - 2021-07-21 07:49:52
Grammar =/= spelling, btw. Grammar would be the rules of the language. >why many word if few do trick? kind of thing. Languages have a flow and a logic to it, and you can't have it any other way. There is more than conveying words. It is a "logical" flow of information.+1
@karlloger3302 - 2021-07-21 07:49:51
Логос это слово Бога.+14
@karlloger3302 - 2021-07-21 07:49:52
Стоп, какого хуя тут делает Мэддисон и Жмилевский? (В углу справа сверху)+4
@mr_times - 2021-07-21 07:49:52
@karlloger3302 лел, случайно попали, но забавно конечно.+1
@nathanaelashnonmusic2615 - 2022-07-21 07:49:53
What's interesting about Christianity is that it has a singular creator, but it has divine beings that are above us. It proposes that God is the center and that the angels that rebelled attempted to claim their own names as "gods". Hence why so many cultures have similar imagery for their deities.+1
@gowtham120xx - 2024-07-21 07:49:53
Great explanation, thank you!+1
@Assault_Butter_Knife - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
Hey Luke, I was wondering which Christianity distro is the best?+18
@alexwr - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
Any distro that doesn't have bloat like prosperity theology and overly mystic doctrine should be fine! Would not recommend installing anything that Bethel Church or Richard Rohr has released, full of malware...+5
@marcoconsorti2663 - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
Become Catholic+8
@theyeking7023 - 2022-07-21 07:49:53
@marcoconsorti2663 y+2
@marcoconsorti2663 - 2022-07-21 07:49:53
@theyeking7023 Based and Biblepilled, boot it by Baptism+2
@wealthy_classare_criminals1521 - 2023-07-21 07:49:53
Christ is the core code to allow distros to exist! There is no best! There is only; you must submit to God humbly or no distro for you!+1
@epenguin3509 - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
Luke, you must... BEGUM ORDODOX :DDDDDD+35
@XYReason - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
indeed...+4
@epenguin3509 - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
@Nocturne in Black and Gold Wow, really? That's great.+6
@4Clubs - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
I guess that the Orthodox Church is a better path for protestants to embrace orthodoxy, given that most of them have a heavy anti-Catholic baggage. Better Orthodox than a weird protestant spouting weird and illogical heterodoxy.+11
@nlmtdhn9154 - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
Become catholic+5
@comicsans1689 - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
Traditional Catholic or Orthodox seem like the best paths.+1
@dramaticdecay3772 - 2025-01-21 08:49:53
In my opinion neoplatonism solves the problems Christianity has+2
@keveinkevin4422 - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
The talos principle told me the word was source code+4
@Laotzu.Goldbug - 2022-07-21 07:49:53
There are certainly good principles to be taken from stoicism, But ultimately it is the philosophy of a senile and decaying civilization and Empire. Submission to fate is spiritual resignation. The heroic age demands exactly the opposite. Read Spengler.+4
@PeterShieldsukcatstripey - 2022-07-21 07:49:53
polytheism takes a broad view of the different planets and the energy from each planet. logos is the source behind these planets. monotheism if focussed on just one of these planets, for example Jews focus on Saturn and protestant Christians on Jupiter - this can cause problems as one is divorced from the wider philosophical wisdom of the logos.+2
@bryanharoldfuller2657 - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
In the beginning there was the word and the Word was God. Take it as literal as you can. Before man could talk we were animals. The spoken word, when we first spoke, was us becoming more than animal, The Word Represents consciousness, intelligence, awareness, learning, believes and hopes. Now because of "the word" you have to comprehend your own mortality. In trying to understand Death the introduction of Spirituality becomes a self survival mechanism of your Soul, which introduces us to the the Logos.😁😔😁😔😔+3
@intrinsic524 - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
i dont know how to read+3
@ellelogs - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
Yay great content Luke+1
@CaioMGA - 2022-07-21 07:49:53
Blessed vid+2
@geeksvilleu.s.a1969 - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
Jesus sums up "the logos" pretty well....."the way the truth and the life"+9
@Yamasutra - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
"Uploaded 10 seconds ago" woah...+15
@thomasw8077 - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
Doesn't get much earlier than this, still sitting at 360p+2
@pandorolo3167 - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
Thomas W and it has 54 visual already+1
@thomasw8077 - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
@pandorolo3167 Haha. Yeah when I saw it on my dashboard there were no views, not even the thumbnail had come through.+2
@r.connor9280 - 2022-07-21 07:49:53
Fourth Age is a mostly stoic thinker on youtube who talks on how stories effect thinking Fairly interesting guy+1
@georgecisneros5281 - 2024-07-21 07:49:53
I find it a fascinating contemplation to view Christians and their connection to Jews, previous to the fall of Jerusalem, as mammals during the reign of dinosaurs. In that, while the dinosaurs were on top, the mammals remained tiny creatures always merely coasting by, for the most part. Until the dinosaurs were finally made extinct, at which point, not all that long after, mammals spread out into all manner of niches and began to be expressed in innumerable variations. Similarly Christians eventually flourished amongst the wider stage of the gentiles, and the like, once the Jews loss their central pillar of metaphysical strength, and this became diffuse, as it were.+1
@stu3131 - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
More Christian theological discussions! God bless.+15
@Spedfree - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
Cool talk dude+2
@colinboyd9121 - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
Kinda apropos of this, have you ever looked at Alisdair MacIntyre's "After Virtue"? Or virtue ethics in general. It seems quite in your contrarian a-pox-on-the-modern-world mold.+4
@mechagodzyzzathotobliterat8094 - 2021-07-21 07:49:53
The description of a stoic sounds like an arahant from Theravada Buddhism+4
@glebkoshelev - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
Emphasis on word is very misleading. It makes it look as if thoughts about being are more important than life as it happens, than becoming. Imho mind/word should be subordinate to heart to which your consciousness is tied with love. Time flows, life flows and you choose what to do. Thinking is also an action. You don't postpone your plans, your life, when you choose to think, you choose thinking in a place where you could act. You can easily spend your whole life on thinking about life and reading wise texts. For anyone stuck in an endless search for meaning, try looking into pragmatism, journaling (BuJo) and scheduling - these things might help to move from living around static models of being towards action, motion and becoming. Good luck!+2
@sent1entmoss - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
you should do a video on alchemy+2
@williamnelson792 - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
Guénon Not Related when?+3
@SheepFace - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
After listening to this (and I know I'll be back to listen again), I have to say I really appreciate the look at these similarities. People can tend to write Christianity off for various reasons, and while I don't think any reasons for writing it off are necessarily valid, I think it's important to study what one believes and what is being espoused, down to the very core, and comparisons like these show that people who are called Christians don't necessarily believe anything super radically different in terms of living life, just in terms of what should be done in life, and why (generally speaking, anyway). My one big note here is that you don't seem to go into any of the Jewish connections. The New Testament, people forget, was written by Jews in a Jewish context (primarily), not by Greco-Romans in a timely, worldly context (though yes, as it could be pointed out, the Roman empire existed and was technically ruling the lands. Technically. Ever wonder why they didn't like the Jews? The Jews didn't worship their gods of live by their customs. Different cultures overlapping, not the same as being the same culture, and certainly they didn't believe the same things). While these comparisons are helpful and interesting, and they certainly can add a meaning to the text, I don't know that they're necessarily the meaning the author(s) of these various texts intended, specifically regarding the Gospel of John. In any case, that's my main thought. Sort of makes this video interesting, but maybe not necessarily accurate to what the books of the New Testament were actually intended to be by the respective authors. Side note- I don't think I've really commented on any of your videos, but I really love this channel and appreciate what you do. Been watching for several months now. Thank you for doing what you do, Mr. Smith.+4
@crusaderACR - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
It is more complex than that, friend. You seem to imply the Bible wasn't European, but purely Jewish. Jewish culture was barely its own thing back then. King David and King Solomon were distant memories and Hebrew was dying as a language. Jewish culture was very connected to that of mainland Europe. In many areas, it was barely a culture at all. Roman culture wasn't big, yes, but Greek (or Aramean, or Armenian, etc.) culture was ubiquitous for Jews both in and out of Judaea and Samaria. Paul of Tarsus himself was a Roman citizen and his first language was Greek. The Twelve got Aramean as a first tongue. Now google Tarsus, it isn't even near Palaestina. Paul was Greco-Jewish, not plain Jewish. The Bible itself was not even written in Aramean, or Hebrew (which, as I said, was dying), but in Greek. Goes to show how connected the Apostles were to Hebrew or even their regional mother tongues like Aramean. This is very quite like today with New Yorker Jews. They got their own family trees and meetings but Judaism as a culture was by then more of a subculture. Even synagogues openly preached Greek theology. It is like some New Yorker Ashkenazi with family there since the Revolutionary War to write a book on theology filled with quotes from Protestant pastors in plain English and say there was no Anglo-Saxon Protestant influence. Like, seriously? There was barely anything to "overlap". I can dare say the New Testament, especially the Gospel of John and Paul's epistles, was more European minded than Jewish.+3
@miguelatkinson - 2023-07-21 07:49:54
What do you mean you think there are no valid reasons to write off Christianity like it's not like the religion is perfect.+2
@saturn1616 - 2022-07-21 07:49:54
so based+3
@theexplorechanneluk7934 - 2024-07-21 07:49:54
Stoic quotes were used by Paul in Titus 1 chapter 1 verse 10 onwards he used a quote from 600 bc a lot of it was what was best to describe rather than copying anything+1
@JonDoe-yc6uz - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
You read E.Micheal Jones LOGOS. :)+3
@danielbowman7226 - 2022-07-21 07:49:54
Christianity was pantheistic upgrade of (tribal) monotheism, using already existing Greco-Roman trends like Stoicism. Which was (at least) in contact with other Indo-European Buddhist and Yogic culture - also already pantheistic upgrade on polytheism.+2
@TheRealRealOK - 2022-07-21 07:49:55
Lol.+2
@RuslanKovtun - 2022-07-21 07:49:54
Picture of nuclear explosion in the talk about "evil order of this world". Love it.+1
@ohLyln - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
Based and holypilled brother+9
@MarieOleDea - 2024-07-21 07:49:54
In the beginning was 'reason' . . . perhaps.+1
@nerdilix1803 - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
Ovid said something among the lines of "be it through a force of nature or the will of a god, the world was created"+5
@harrywilliams8187 - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
Heya Mr. Smith, if you want the timestamps in the video itself, you should be pushing enter on your keyboard after each timestamp.+2
@candelario4288 - 2022-07-21 07:49:54
God chose to become man at a specific period in time/history when the language (particularly Greek in philosophy) had developed to a specific point where it was most ready for Sanctifying Grace. “… not all men are in the same condition, and all are not led or disposed to a knowledge of the truth in the same way. For some are brought to a knowledge of the truth by signs and miracles; others are brought more by wisdom. “The Jews require signs, and the Greeks seek wisdom” (1 Cor 1:22). And so the Lord, in order to show the path of salvation to all, willed both ways to be open, i.e., The way of signs in the way of wisdom, so that those who would not be brought to the path of salvation by the miracles of the Old and New Testaments, might be brought to a knowledge of the truth by the path of wisdom, as in the prophets and other books of Sacred Scripture.” -St. Thomas, Commentary on John God is Lord of all history.+2
@mrwayofwarrior7853 - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
So "Logos" is basically like "Gnon" in NRx.+2
@Fred_uyz - 2025-01-21 08:49:54
Jesus is the perfect Stoic sage. Full onenes with the Logos, full acceptance of Nature (God/fate), trust in providence and God. Perfect knowledge of how the Logos/God operates... Jesus IS the Stoic sage. And Paul reflected this: "for me to live is Christ and to die is gain" The stoics believed death was not something to flee, but freedom from this body and impure thoughts, to return to oneness to the Logos.+1
@saxy1player - 2025-03-21 08:49:54
You should look into Plotinus+1
@magnusdeadliftson7149 - 2021-07-21 07:49:54
So, the whole dog-leash-car thing...we are hostages, neat+2
@stephen8342 - 2022-07-21 07:49:54
Too much theology has murdered what Christianity is actually about. If it isn’t wholly focused on grace and forgiveness it’s just frill that will lose believers in the long term+2
@danielbowman7226 - 2022-07-21 07:49:54
In Yogic view Word is representing vibration.+1
@simonedeiana2696 - 2021-07-21 07:49:55
mmmh I can see many more parallels to Zen philosophy and other eastern world views than I knew existed. very interesting outlook, I wish other religions of the world were this much documented to draw even more comparisons+2
@NeilOosthuizen - 2021-07-21 07:49:55
A tidy room will do this Bucko...+2
@Merc_999 - 2021-07-21 07:49:55
very nice video, thank you+1
@hantarosi20 - 2021-07-21 07:49:55
Close to 100k , noice+2
@telemorphosis141 - 2021-07-21 07:49:55
What is word? Word is proprietary software.+3
@wealthy_classare_criminals1521 - 2023-07-21 07:49:55
The Word = Property Of God+1
@VADemon - 2022-07-21 07:49:55
Still one of the best videos ever (500th comment)+1
@gypsy_jigg2516 - 2022-07-21 07:49:55
I know it goes without words, the Word, is a knowing. Beyond short breathed discription of ones realtionship with his or her inner Universe+1
@marcostorres1337 - 2021-07-21 07:49:55
oh how beautiful sounds can be+2
@andrej4342 - 2021-07-21 07:49:55
ABSOLUTE CHAD+15
@randomdude_12335 - 2022-07-21 07:49:55
Came here for Linux, stayed for the based philosophy/theology+2
@thdotaku - 2021-07-21 07:49:55
in reference to not not responding to extreme events, its not being a psycopath but a sociopath.+1
@NovaInquisicaoGN315 - 2022-07-21 07:49:55
I am thinking you are Catholic, I am watching ur channel since today bc my friend presented it for me.+2
@RoseSharon7777 - 2022-07-21 07:49:55
Its called PERSONIFICATION of the logos in literary form. The logos that is birthed in everyone that God has called. Its the picture of the perfect man after we have been resurrected into new life after death to SELF or carnal flesh. The logos came to John first and then to the 12. Its a literary story of the new man reigning and ruling as The fathers representatives in the earth. We reign and rule with christ (logos and spirit) within us. The logos/spirit becomes flesh when WE are begotten or born from of the fathers spirit. James 1:18, I Peter 1:3 kjv. There was no literal man born of a virgin as a God man. Its referring to ALL men born from above and God dwells within us as resurrected new men, the sons of God. The christ is not a man until its formed in us.+2
@someguy4405 - 2022-07-21 07:49:55
Minor criticism regarding Hinduism. The unity of god is actually Brahman. Brahma is the creator aspect.+1
@StevenWalkerNtheBois - 2024-07-21 07:49:55
Benedictio Dei, thank you for this video. Ave Christus Rex.+1
@teacon7 - 2021-07-21 07:49:55
εν αρχη (λινυξ) ην ο λογος ? :)+6
@wulcrit6889 - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
haha malaka auto skeftika kai egw lmao+1
@giovannipezzin5707 - 2021-07-21 07:49:55
I do not only trust the logos, but also pathos and ethos. Trust the Qaristotle Qrethoric+2
@mihaigeorgeadrian - 2025-04-21 07:49:55
Amen+1
@ewanderer7233 - 2022-07-21 07:49:55
Needs more views+1
@elliesuckz - 2025-06-21 07:49:55
AMEN+1
@Osama-Bon-Jovi-01 - 2022-07-21 07:49:56
I love these sorts of videos, thanks Luke!+1
@Asrashas - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
So, two points/questions from me, a certified brainlet. 1) Logos / Stoicism kind of sounds like believing in a deterministic universe, how accurate is that comparison? 2) Nordic/Germanic religion also had a force above everything else, that wove fate. In the form of the Norns, could they be seen as a somewhat Logos-like element in that religion?+2
@crusaderACR - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
1) Logos and Stoicism are not in the same vein. Logos was a word thrown around by basically all currents. Stoicism is more like a state of mind or a perspective towards the very fabric of the world. Sort of. The Logos is not about a deterministic universe. Quite the opposite. That is in the video itself, watch it again. Somewhere around the dropping a book analogy. 2) Probably. Christian doctrine teaches that these things are natural conclusions. Taoism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and more; have similar concepts.+3
@glowiever - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
the word was 32/64 bit dude+4
@epajarjestys9981 - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
When I grew up, it was 16 bit.+3
@batemanboi9672 - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
This episode brought to you by a viewer question — from pewdiepie to Luke+9
@enqane - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
What are your thoughts on Israel?+2
@ikengaspirit3063 - 2021-07-21 07:49:57
Y tho?+3
@ebiosh2032 - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
Curvature of Earth?+3
@ricot1797 - 2021-07-21 07:49:57
Globalist propaganda!!+1
@ebiosh2032 - 2021-07-21 07:49:57
@ricot1797 The Bible is a flat earth book, worth looking into+1
@ricot1797 - 2021-07-21 07:49:57
@ebiosh2032 look into it!!+1
@ebiosh2032 - 2021-07-21 07:49:57
@ricot1797 caw caw, parrot! say 'fuck!'+1
@notbob6922 - 2022-07-21 07:49:56
I actually interpreted DMT trip in a very similar way to the end of the video.+1
@elliesuckz - 2025-06-21 07:49:56
Amen x2+1
@shafieq325 - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
in islam we call it zuhud, fyi+3
@FeastofChamps - 2023-07-21 07:49:56
So Logos is "the Tao?"+1
@codegeek98 - 2022-07-21 07:49:56
Considering mainline "Christianity" as being bootstrappable from a few claims: (a) the historical figure of Jesus truthfully claimed to be the incarnation of the crafter of our world (b) our world-crafter is the alpha [origin/monad] (c) the alpha and the omega [terminus/singularity/eschaton-order] share a being (d) there is an inextricable connection between "why" something is [causal] and "why" something is [telos] If you reject the latter 3 (and have a curious spirit and a desire to shape the omega and know the alpha), you get gnosticism… but I don't see why the conclusion "the world is evil" is necessary from that (or untenable, anyway -- by way of analogy: I can think that filler classes in college are evil while passing them anyway for instrumental reasons). My AI network might be "bad" by my own standards, violating (or intending to violate) its own telos for which I created it, but if it's got its own standards… who (aside from mere me) can deny its entitlement to those?+1
@LaJin9292 - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
Christianity came to shit all over the pinnacle of pagan philosophies such as stoicism. Do not try to liken Christianity to purer, greater things. Christianity co-opted and corrupted great thinking and burned human intelligence into the ground. “We are told that Jesus judged the rich with the saying 'It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god.’ Yet we know that Plato expressed this very idea in a purer form when he said, 'It is impossible for an exceptionally good man to be exceptionally rich.’ Is one utterance more inspired than the other?” –Celsus, On the True Doctrine. “Just as the charlatans of the cults take advantage of the simpleton’s lack of education to lead him around by the nose, so too with the Christian teachers: they do not want to give or receive reasons for what they believe. Their favourite expressions are "Do not ask questions, just believe!” and: “Your faith will save you!” “The wisdom of the world,” they say, “is evil; to be simple is to be good.” " -Celsus, On the True Doctrine. "The only thing that can impress you in Notre Dame is the glory of man, not of nature, and just like all the desert religions do, the Notre Dame tries to elevate man to be above nature. This leads to man thinking he can do anything he wants to nature and anything in nature -- and to all of it and everywhere. Christianity came from the desert, and it brings only desert... spiritually, mentally, morally and so... physically." - Varg Vikernes+7
@rafagambardella - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!+1
@SantiYounger - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
Luke Smith + Stoicism = Me Clicking straight away!+3
@kirks386 - 2022-07-21 07:49:56
I was raised atheist. I was raised with morals. I enjoy your clear ideas.+2
@avroot8346 - 2022-07-21 07:49:56
5:38 I think it's even more complex than your explanation though. I mean I know because I've read into it a lot. But I'm also too lazy to type it out lol <3+1
@5unev - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
No.+3
@bbseal6174 - 2021-07-21 07:49:57
ur dad+3
@deadpoolsrevenge1290bc - 2024-07-21 07:49:56
I don't understand if sin is bad but if it is like the dog with the cart we would have to go with it so is it bad or a sin if we have to go with it+1
@origanilzumper9520 - 2021-07-21 07:49:56
Very cool+1
@honkhonk8009 - 2023-07-21 07:49:56
Stoicism is really similar to bhuddism kinda. About how you shouldn't really care too much about the ups and downs of life and everything. Im sinhalese so i thought it was a cool seeing how omnipresent that mentality is.+1
@PabloGonzalez-fo4wk - 2023-07-21 07:49:58
maybe this can be better seen as god laying out a plan for us to follow with the equivalent counter option of sin, this thereby gives us free will through our choice to choose gods plan. Although an argument could be made to counter this by drawing attention to how this cannot be seen as truly free unless the path of sin was a equally viable option and would this not then refute the entire tradition+1
@someguy4405 - 2022-07-21 07:49:58
The Demiurge is also supposed to be the God of the Old Testament. The Gnostic Monad is the God of the New Testament.+1
@ajfbdbsjdjfbrbsksbsbfbrs - 2022-07-21 07:49:58
I could be wrong, but isn't what Luke describes here regarding the unchangeable chain of events as fate casual determinism? I don't think causal determinism and stoicism are necessarily intertwined as philosophies.+1
@jonasrivers3675 - 2021-07-21 07:49:58
Oh finally something that isn't cringy ubuntu circlejerking+9
@chrkrngl - 2021-07-21 07:49:58
Luke, come home to Ubuntu Christian Edition.+2
@PeterShieldsukcatstripey - 2022-07-21 07:49:58
i wonder if earlier like stories were due to the electric universe where all time is happening at once and tapping into a unversal truth.+1
@PhillyStackz - 2024-07-21 07:49:58
Absolutely, logos is logic and sequential thought process. It is God and was with God since the beginning and it was given to Jesus at birth. John called Yeshua logos but not in nature but in mind and deed. Thought and action.+1
@-GrindTime - 2024-07-21 07:49:58
Logos is the nature of life itself. The fact that morality is rigid and not objective highlights the idea of there being a Logos. God, Gods very character and nature imputed into laws to govern our world, and made flesh to show us the Logos.+1
@andrewzuy6012 - 2021-07-21 07:49:58
Great video. What about transcendental meditation?+1
@MartinsTalbergs - 2021-07-21 07:49:58
Quit that, that is evil. Chant brings you in trans. Then you are abused by dark forces. You are ment to be aware of truth.+6
@derek123wil0 - 2021-07-21 07:49:58
What are you trying to transcend? If you practice meditation use a natural beginners method like zazen and it will bring you more fruits than trying to force a state on yourself+1
@Εμτι - 2021-07-21 07:49:58
I don't understand why people who study greek outside of greece, mainly english speaking countries, butcher greek pronounciation while trying to pass it as the "correct" way to say it. Let's take τέλος for example. No one says "teeh-loss". It's "teh-los". I understand how "λόγος" would be hard to pronounce, as you dont really use γ in your speech, but some spellings are not really understandable to my as to how you could pronounce it wrong, or "couldn't" pronounce it correctly.+2
@crusaderACR - 2021-07-21 07:49:58
In Western universities we are taught that the pronunciation of dead languages does not matter. Some talk of Ecclesiastical vs. Classical pronunciation of Latin as well, but in the actual classroom we study grammar and pronunciation. Nothing of drawing conversations, or 'speaking' and 'listening' like when people learn English or Japanese; or study the particular way a Roman would pronounce an R or a Z. Just interpreting and translating. A Frenchman would likely pronounce "teh-loh" as the trailing S are usually omitted. I saw that sort of thing when French read Latin.+1
@kerovibe - 2022-07-21 07:49:58
How do you explain mat 27:46+1
@bobbychuckles8764 - 2022-07-21 07:49:58
The word of Elohim is the Spirit or Breath of Elohim. He creates with his breath. He speaks objects into existence.+1
@MsDuketown - 2024-07-21 07:49:58
Ratio above Logos.. Slightly more logic than the Sofists. Otherwize you can't zoom out while judging. Pipeline syndrome..+1
@xXKillaBGXx - 2021-07-21 07:49:58
Marcus Aurelius, a stoic did not like the early Christians. He had them eaten by lions in the coliseum for his amusement.+10
@censoredterminalautism4073 - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
To be fair, that is pretty amusing. Can't say that I wouldn't have done the same thing, especially when I'm sure that pretty much all of them were scum, considering the amount of pointless destruction that they caused. Most adherents of all religions have always been human garbage, because popularity requires the involvement of inferior people. Religion is what happens when you give normalfriends philosophical ideas and let them corrupt them. I would rather keep the ideas and give them to the kitties instead. Much more productive.+6
@censoredterminalautism4073 - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
@TPizzle96 Good. I like cringe. On top of being just a little sadistic.+1
@daniel4977 - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
@censoredterminalautism4073 The same human subconscious, genetic and cultural tendencies that facilitated Christianity becoming a European "thing" is happening again right now. Epicenter: American Universities. Potential victim: The world. (Don't feed this beast lest you be masochistic enough to desire the inevitable inquisitions)+4
@tkmonson - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
This is a myth and has been debunked. If you read Meditations, you'll see that feeding people to lions is not consistent with Marcus Aurelius' character. He was basically anti-amusement and very morally strict with himself.+12
@censoredterminalautism4073 - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
@daniel4977 Yes, but I don't care about the world. I don't even like so, so I see no reason to save it. It wants to burn, and it deserves to, so it's fine. I will go far away from all that and live my own life.+1
@xXKillaBGXx - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
Tommy Monson Turns out you’re right. There’s records to indicate that he prevented the persecution of Christians. “Marcus’ Letter to the Asian Provinces We do, however, have a surviving edict attributed to Marcus and entitled Letter of Antoninus to the Common Assembly of Asia, which appears to provide evidence that he actively intervened to prevent the persecution of Christians. It is dated 161 AD, and issued from Marcus as Emperor, which suggests it was one of his first actions shortly after being acclaimed to the throne. He explicitly refers to the problem of Christians who are regarded by Romans as atheists because they do not worship the conventional pagan gods. Marcus warns the provincial authorities: “you harass these men, and harden them in their convictions, to which they hold fast, by accusing them of being atheists”. He states that provincial governors had many times written to his adoptive father, the Emperor Antoninus Pius, whose response was always “not to molest such persons“, unless they were actually making attempts to undermine the Roman government. Marcus says he has also frequently repeated this non-harassment policy to them himself, as Emperor. He actually goes so far as to say: “And if any one persist in bringing any such [Christian] person into trouble for being what he is, let him, against whom the charge is brought, be acquitted even if the charge be made out, but let him who brings the charge be called to account.” In other words, he suggests that provincial authorities may be punished by Rome for persecuting Christians solely on the basis of their religion. C.R. Haines, who published this edict as an appendix to his Loeb translation of The Meditations, included an essay entitled “Note on the Attitude of Marcus Toward the Christians.” He begins “Nothing has done the good name of Marcus so much harm as his supposed uncompromising attitude toward Christians” and concludes: As a matter of fact, Marcus has been condemned as a persecutor of the Christians on purely circumstantial and quite insufficient grounds. The general testimony of contemporary Christian writers is against the supposition. So is the known character of Marcus. He goes on to argue that the retrospective claim of Eusebius about myriads of Christians being persecuted and horribly tortured to death throughout the Roman Empire two centuries earlier is also inconsistent with numerous historical facts – often cited by Eusebius himself and other Christian authors. For example, the presence of a bishop at the head of a community of Christians was tolerated in Rome itself, there were multiple Christians serving in Marcus’ own household, and probably even Christians in the Roman Senate. According to Eusebius and three other Christian sources, for instance, the Senator Apollonius of Rome was condemned to death, under Commodus. However, that implies that during Marcus’ reign Apollonius was permitted to serve on the Senate, despite being a Christian. Several sources, including Tertullian, attest that the Thunderbolt Legion (Legio XII Fulminata) commanded by Marcus on the northern frontier was composed largely of Christian soldiers. Marcus’ obsession with kindness, justice and clemency, is clearly demonstrated throughout The Meditations. However, this is reinforced by numerous references to his character in the writings of other Roman authors. Marcus is portrayed with remarkable consistency as being a man of exceptional clemency and humanity – that was his universal reputation. Latin authors typically used the word humanitas (kindness) to describe his character; in Greek the word philanthropia (love of mankind) was favoured. Haines therefore also finds it implausible that someone so universally regarded as a man of exceptional kindness and clemency would have “encouraged mob-violence against unoffending persons, ordered the torture of innocent women and boys, and violated the rights of citizenship”. Indeed, as we’ve seen, there appears to be no evidence whatsoever that Marcus was actually responsible for the persecution of Christians. The weight of evidence, rather, suggests that he was, as Tertullian claims, a “protector” of Christians, and tried to prevent provincial authorities from persecuting them. We can also look to the reign of Antoninus Pius, Marcus’ adoptive father and predecessor as emperor for evidence. From the time Marcus was appointed Caesar in 140 AD until Antoninus Pius’ death in 161 AD, for over twenty years, Marcus was his right-hand man and virtually co-ruler alongside him. Indeed, Marcus helped Antoninus Pius rule for longer than he reigned himself, as he died in 180 AD, after only nineteen years on the throne. They were in agreement on all matters, as far as we know, and about a decade after his death, in The Meditations, Marcus still reminds himself to live like a “disciple of Antoninus”. According to the epitome of Cassius Dio’s Roman History made by Xiphilinus: Antoninus is admitted by all to have been noble and good, neither oppressive to the Christians nor severe to any of his other subjects; instead, he showed the Christians great respect and added to the honour in which Hadrian had been wont to hold them. (Historia Romana) It would seem highly remarkable, therefore, if Marcus (of all people!) who had been the right-hand man in this administration of Antoninus, had suddenly performed a dramatic policy u-turn regarding the Christians and started actively persecuting them on a massive scale instead. As it happens, the fastest growing form of Christianity during Marcus’ reign was Montanism. We know that the Montanists were eradicated from history not because they were persecuted by Marcus Aurelius or the Roman authorities, however, but because they were persecuted and excommunicated by other Christians, possibly including the leaders of the orthodox church in Lyons.” Source: https://donaldrobertson.name/2017/01/13/did-marcus-aurelius-persecute-the-christians/ I shouldn’t take YouTube comments as face value.+5
@censoredterminalautism4073 - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
@xXKillaBGXx Interesting. And it makes sense, considering the amount of made up bullshit that was written about Rome after its fall. I think the Catholics in particular made a lot of things up. History is always uncertain, because human beings have always been lying assholes. That's also why I personally don't take it all that seriously anymore.+2
@censoredterminalautism4073 - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
@K F I cut my coffee consumption by around 25% the last few days, by replacing some of the coffee with some strong chocolate powder. Choffee? Coffolate? Chocolaffee? It's good, you should try it. No sweeteners allowed, of course, unless you're a woman, then you are excused, maybe, but even then, that's not ideal. Bitter good, sweet disgusting. That's objectively correct. Spicy is also good. If you are feeling particularly adventurous, maybe consider putting a Carolina Reaper in your coffee and then telling me the result. I haven't tried anything quite that strong yet, but voluntary human test subjects are always appreciated and I'm sure that Mr. God would appreciate the entertainment.+1
@brotherman1 - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
@censoredterminalautism4073 the signs of doomer+1
@censoredterminalautism4073 - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
@brotherman1 I am almost not a doomer. But not quite. You got me, somehow.+1
@brotherman1 - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
@censoredterminalautism4073 Checkmate+1
@ironclad4288 - 2021-07-21 07:49:58
Yes.+1
@daroay - 2022-07-21 07:49:58
The Gnostic Demigurge is Yahweh himself. If modern day Christianity is Judaism first +Helenism, Gnosticism is Helenism first +Judaism.+2
@derekwfrazier - 2024-07-21 07:49:58
your mic is out of control; edited for lol+1
@barbarawenger7161 - 2021-07-21 07:49:58
Gods points, but much too bab bill lit and disconnected.. PREPARE!!+2
@censoredterminalautism4073 - 2021-07-21 07:49:58
Normally I expect every take on religion to be a brainlet take, but from that description and Hermeticism and Neoplatonism being mentioned right away, seems like it's not going to be the case. That's different.+2
@censoredterminalautism4073 - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
@GhostofTradition I'm not an atheist, so I'm legally not allowed to own one, unfortunately. That's how this works, right?+3
@automotiveprogramming - 2021-07-21 07:49:58
Nice.+1
@Supertimegamingify - 2021-07-21 07:49:58
Who's God's graphic designer?+2
@BurgerKingHarkinian - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
Well, Terry Davis, of course+5
@Supertimegamingify - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
@BurgerKingHarkinian Can't believe I didn't see the obvious truth. I would say R.I.P. but he can't because he's still working hard, he just got hired by God.+2
@Supertimegamingify - 2021-07-21 07:49:59
BallOnEm PBS Yeah, but God's probably tired of doing all the marketing now so I think that someone's been hired to do it instead.+1
@Lovingkindness. - 2025-04-21 07:50:00
In my belief or understanding: Logos, a reasoned discourse, the ability to transmit thought from one mind to another by speech and comprehension. The logos of God is the entire communication process, originating in the creator, the very expression of Gods mind, His wisdom, as quickened by spirit to our inner man. Word of God Logos is not the bible. Word of God Logos is not written. (You might find a couple bible verses that appear to be logos written.) YHWH spoke “LIGHT BE” and created order and understanding universally. Grace to you.+1
@boudiccaleduckel4680 - 2024-09-21 07:50:00
This guy needs to do just a few short minutes of research on Stoicism before doing his video. His description of Stoicism seems to be pretty much opposite of the what it really is.+3
@KalebJordon - 2025-01-21 08:50:00
What is it really, then?+2
@boudiccaleduckel4680 - 2025-01-21 08:50:00
@KalebJordon I didn't mean to be rude but I have tried to practice Stoicism for almost ten years now and this video is simply foreign to me. Stoicism is a moral philosophy that reasons that life can actually be basically 'won' if one's main objective is virtue; as in the four cardinal virtues. Those are reason (first for a reason), wisdom, fortitude, and justice. So one tries to make every decision following these pillars of virtue, and always knows that the outcome is out of our hands. So the act of always following the moral/ethical/rational path is the 'win'. That is all one has control over. So all else, albeit painful or joyful, is fleeting and out of our control. There's way more to it but that is the essence of it. Perhaps Luke is referring to some other part of Stoicism but it sounds odd to me.+2
@maximilianmusterhans4659 - 2025-01-21 08:50:00
@boudiccaleduckel4680 I don't see how Luke's explanation is at odds with your statements. I have read Aurelius and Epictet and think Luke's summary was on point.+4
@dogelicks - 2024-07-21 07:50:00
The word is the bible, if you believe that God protected a bloodline to produce Jesus Christ out of, then why wouldn't God protect his Word and produce the King James Bible?+1
@perseusarkouda - 2021-07-21 07:50:00
Telos means end. Stohos means goal.+1
@alexwr - 2021-07-21 07:50:00
Theologically, I'm pretty sure the Logos mentioned in John 1 is referring to Jesus... This is all really very interesting, but humans can really complicate things unnecessarily...+2
@crusaderACR - 2021-07-21 07:50:00
And Jesus is the incarnation of The Logos.+4
@Mrmorlam1 - 2024-07-21 07:50:00
I've been there with the logos. Gods Word is an infinite pulse producing the Son of God in the process from the centre of your head at t = 0.+1
@xSephironx - 2024-07-21 07:50:00
The orthodox church- the logos isn't lost on us+1
@kingburrito7773 - 2021-07-21 07:50:00
I love Jesus+7
@dimon44085 - 2021-07-21 07:50:00
Это что мэддисон справа вверху?+5
@PeterShieldsukcatstripey - 2022-07-21 07:50:00
perhaps the identical myths in other traditions is due to the electric universe.+1
@sjuvanet - 2021-07-21 07:50:00
i like heraclitus :)+7
@RlsIII-uz1kl - 2024-07-21 07:50:00
The Old Testament and New Testament dovetails.+1
@JDPBelhumeur - 2025-05-21 07:50:00
yesss+1
@ihitonmilfs - 2021-07-21 07:50:00
God communicates with us through the godly rng in temple os finally I understand+3
@rovingmauler7410 - 2022-07-21 07:50:00
There are no coincidences.+1
@DisplayLine6.13.9 - 2021-07-21 07:50:00
The dog decides to move along or not logically, depending on previous events. -your fellow determinist+1
@terrorwavegabber - 2021-07-21 07:50:00
лол Илюха на пикче, БАЗА+13
@dimon44085 - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
Это Виталий Зобр+1
@Pavel-iz9jg - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
База? База чего?+4
@forgiveness_denied - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
шо за двіж?+1
@someguy7576 - 2021-07-21 07:50:00
based+2
@Rawdiswar - 2021-07-21 07:50:00
How did I find my way here?+1
@wealthy_classare_criminals1521 - 2023-07-21 07:50:01
Your soul was lifted up!+1
@imminenteffect5106 - 2021-07-21 07:50:00
Well Luke, read Hegel! First read Phenomenology of Spirit, then his texts on Philosophy of religion. Maybe you will think about before you call greek philosophers pagan. :D+5
@georgeginzburg5202 - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
Там что, Мэддисон и Светов?+8
@wvovaw3052 - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
Da+1
@БаронъМюнхгаузенъ - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
Yes+1
@Discriminator - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
тоже заметил+1
@Jalae - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
So if logos is rational grammatical. Homosexuality would be a form of poetry+1
@wealthy_classare_criminals1521 - 2023-07-21 07:50:01
The ONLY valuable aspects of reality: God, Jesus, Holy Bible, Holy Spirit, Flat Earth ( decoration for God ), The Word ( Property Of God. Conclusion: This is all ONE!+1
@JK-pi6ji - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
"O VIS ETERNITATIS" (Hildegard von Bingen) O vis eternitatis que omnia ordinasti in corde tuo, per Verbum tuum omnia creata sunt sicut voluisti, et ipsum Verbum tuum induit carnem in formatione illa que educta est de Adam. Et sic indumenta ipsius a maximo dolore abstersa sunt. O quam magna est benignitas Salvatoris qui omnia liberavit per incarnationem suam, quam divinitas exspiravit sine vinculo peccati. Et sic indumenta ipsius a maximo dolore abstersa sunt. Gloria Patri et Filio et Spiritui Sancto. Et sic indumenta ipsius a maximo dolore abstersa sunt.+2
@PeterShieldsukcatstripey - 2022-07-21 07:50:01
Christiantiy combined Greek Philosophy and revelation+1
@patrickkavanaugh8482 - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
I better not get videos about Christianity in my recommended for the next month, I'm just here for an essay lol+3
@qillerr_yt - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
Watching this while playing CK3, DEUS VULT+4
@jasperzanjani - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
Dang what happened to the old Luke who posted about vim and tiling window managers?+2
@turtleanton6539 - 2024-07-21 07:50:01
Hmmm+1
@candelario4288 - 2022-07-21 07:50:01
Stoicism is incomplete and therefore ultimately wrong+2
@archetypal5027 - 2022-07-21 07:50:01
the word is the bird+1
@knpstrr - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
Jesus (the Son of God) is not the Word since the "Word was God" (John 1:1). The Son of God was a man and not God, though God the Father in all his fullness was in his Son (Colossians 2:9). We know this because it is written: "For there is only one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" 1 Timothy 2:5. God is a spirit, not a man (John 4:24 "God is a spirit"). Also we know the Son of God died on the cross the man, God didn't die because Jesus, the man, was the Son of God, not "God the Son". "God the Son" is not written anywhere in the Bible, unless perhaps if you have some "new" translation. There is only 1 God. The Word and the Holy Spirit are God the Father. The Son of God was a man, who was born of a virgin woman and whose father was God (the Holy Spirit came upon Mary, which is God the Father, that's why he is called "the Father", no separate "person").+2
@knpstrr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@yarn rav Not much of a rebuttal.+1
@alexwr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
Okay, here's some verses as a rebuttal. - The 'I Am' refers to God, and in John 8:58 Jesus refers to himself as the I am. - John 14:9, if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. - Colossians 2:9 actually says "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily" (ESV). So God is literally dwelling inside a human body... AKA Jesus is God. - It's very incorrect to assume that Timothy thought that Jesus wasn't God when in the same book his quotes: "Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He (God) was manifested in the flesh" 1 Tim 3:16 (ESV) So I have to agree with the other guy, you have taken those verses out of context, and misused them.+2
@knpstrr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@alexwr Those versus don't refute anything I suggested. The fullness of god dwelled inside Jesus Christ, absolutely true. So that explains the "I AM" and "if you've seen me, you've seen the father". Of a truth God was manifested in the flesh, his only Son the Man Christ Jesus. The Bible calls Jesus a man. It is simple. We become "co-heirs" with Christ. We don't become "co-Gods" Christ. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ. Romans 8:16-17 When you talk to a person, do you talk to the physical body? Or do you talk to the spirit inside that physical body? When Jesus came teaching his Father's doctrine, he was speaking his Father's words. From the beginning God the Father created everything according to his Son, the man, Christ Jesus. Mary didn't give birth to a God. A God didn't' die on the cross. God isn't flesh. God is a spirit. The man Christ Jesus was flesh and in that flesh the Spirit of God dwelled in all of God's fullness. Just as when we receive the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God dwells inside of us and we become joint-heirs with Christ. Once you unlearn Catholic doctrines the Bible reveals itself to you.+1
@alexwr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@knpstrr That in no way explains the I AM... He doesn't say the I AM is with me, he says that before Abraham was, I AM. ---------- Co-heirs is pretty straight forward. You have God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. By trusting in Jesus, the Son, we are welcomed into God's family once more and are therefore co-heirs, nothing about that verse reflects that Jesus wasn't God. ---------- In fact right at the end of Romans 8, we get reference to Jesus as 'Lord'. Kyriō was used interchangeably to refer to God and Jesus, but only those two, indicating that they are one and the same. ---------- Only a perfect being could have died for all the sins of mankind. If you think anyone other than God can be perfect, then you are blatantly incorrect. Hence how we get to Jesus being God. ---------- Another verse of note is John 17:5 where Jesus says, "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." Jesus indicates that he wishes to receive the full glory of God, that he sets aside when he came down from heaven to earth. So we have a being that was with God, with God in the beginning as John 1 indicates. Someone who set aside their heavenly glory to come to earth to live in as a human. Who died for humanity, which can only be completed by a perfect being. Then asks to be restored to his rightful place once again, after completing the task to which he was on earth. So from that, Jesus is God, the Son. Who laid aside his godly glory and powers when he came down to earth, lived as a perfect human and relied on prayer and the Holy Spirit, died for the sins of humanity. There's nothing inconsistent about that. It clearly indicates that Jesus remained the person of God, even as a human, but relinquished all of his Godly powers and glory on earth.+1
@knpstrr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@alexwr So you say God died huh? That is interesting that humans can kill God. But beyond that, how could have Jesus been perfect without being God? What was different about the man Jesus versus every other man?+1
@alexwr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@knpstrr Maybe I'll respond to you, but you first have to respond to the evidence I presented, you can't just get out of answering my points by asking more questions.+1
@knpstrr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@alexwr I was addressing one of your points. We can talk about 15 points at once, without breaking it down, but it just leads to ever longer replies. So if you don't want to talk about how you think God can (and did) die and how Jesus was different from all other men, what would you like to talk about?+1
@knpstrr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@alexwr You are correct. Jesus came to speak/teach his Father's doctrine. Jesus did NOT say "before Abraham was, I was". He said "before Abraham was, I AM". What/who is "I AM"? "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." (Deuteronomy 18:18) ---- Your co-heirs explanation is nonsensical. Christ cannot be a "co-heir" if he is God. When your parents die and leave you and your siblings property. You are not "co-heirs" with your parents, you are co-heirs with all of their children. If we are children of God, we are then heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ. Simple, just as Scripture says. ---- Of a truth we gloried with God before the World was. God told Jeremiah he knew him before he was ever in his mother's belly (Jeremiah 1:5). God knew all of us before the foundation of the world as well (Ephesians 1:4). John 1 says that the Word is God. Not that the Word is Jesus. Nowhere in Scripture is it written "God the Son". In fact, it states in scripture that Christ Jesus is a man. If the Son of God was God, then humans killed God on the cross. Do you really think God died that day? So how could Jesus not be God but yet be a unique human being like no other human being, making him the only perfect sacrifice?+1
@knpstrr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@K F It is common sense actually, unless you were taught otherwise. The Bible states Christ Jesus was a man and that God is a spirit. But "Ok Athanasiusian".+1
@knpstrr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@K F "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" 1 Timothy 2:5 Simple. He that has ears to hear, let him hear.+1
@alexwr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@knpstrr So where is the part where you address even one of my points? I see no theological issues with Jesus coming down to earth as God incarnate and dying on the cross. We believe in life after death and a distinction between soul and body, so what's the issue exactly? I've spent a week trying to figure out what issues you might have with the reasoning, and I can't think of any.+1
@knpstrr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@alexwr Unfortunately I have posted a response to your post 2 times now and apparently YouTube has deleted them. In an attempt to have this comment stick, look up where I addressed all of your points in the comment above. Anyone can have a "theology" so depending on what you've been told to believe from men, you may not see an issue with God dying on the cross. But that isn't the truth. The truth is the Son of God died on the cross.+1
@alexwr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
You still haven't addressed any of my points, or provided alternative theology with verses backing them up. - Jesus is God - Jesus is also God's Son A verse that indicates this is one you used to suggest the opposite (by only using part of the verse, I might add, which is terrible cherry picking right there) which is of course John 1. From John 1 we know that the Word was these things: - God - but also WITH God - was with God in the beginning - through this Word all things were made - is referred to as 'The Light'. - The Word became flesh - No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God You used John 1 to back up your initial idea that Jesus is not God, yet when you actually read John 1, you see very clearly that it in fact says the opposite.+1
@knpstrr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@alexwr I'm having trouble posting my comments. I post and it looks like they are entered, then I come back and there isn't a comment there. Apparently I am trigger some algorithm, so this is very difficult to discuss when I am unable to post. John 1 does not say that the Son is God. Scripture says the Son is man. However, God in all his fullness was in his Son. As the Scripture states: God is not a man, God is a Spirit. The Son of God is a man. The scripture states all of these things, plainly. It isn't a theological riddle. Edit: my post addressing your theological points is the 10th reply in this thread.+1
@alexwr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@knpstrr John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." You're right, it's not a theological riddle, he clearly states that The Word is both God and with God, and also became flesh to dwell with us. That sounds an awful lot like Jesus to me!+1
@knpstrr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@alexwr It sounds like "God the Son" to you because you have been taught that "God the Son" is the Word. There is no "God the Son", only God and the Son of God. And what is the Word? It is God Almighty, maker of heaven and earth. The Scripture you quoted states this plainly. The Word was God. Do you see? God, not "God the Son". Again, in the Son of God dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Scripture states this. What is all the fullness of the godhead? It is God Almighty. Where is He? In the body of His Son, the man Christ Jesus, born of a virgin, because he was the Son of God. Do you see it? If so praise God. Christ Jesus was a man, the very Son of God, as the scripture states. God Almighty begat a Son, dwelleth inside him, for the purpose to sacrifice him (his Son) to save the world! It is an amazing act of love for His creation. As Jesus told Phillip, "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" God Almighty is a Spirit, as Scripture states, truly He is that Holy Spirit. God Almighty was here on Earth, in his Son. And the world knew Him not, and the world rejected Him. Praise the Lord for God's mercy on us, that He still offers us a way to be saved, through His Son's sacrifice, who was without sin, yet bore the sin of all of us. You are stuck in Roman tradition that was adopted from Babylon, Yea, even Mystery Babylon the Great, Mother of harlots and abominations of the earth, as the scripture states. I hope this message reaches you, only God himself can reveal it to you, to allow you to be able to see his kingdom when you are born again!+1
@alexwr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
Nice one not responding at all to the evidence I gave in John 1. This time can you actually look at the verses and tell me with a straight face it's not calling Jesus God? ---------- John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:2 - He was in the beginning with God. So the Word 'was God' and 'was with God', right? ---------- John 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us... So, using very basic reasoning, we can deduce that the Word is: 1. God 2. With God 3. There before the world was formed 4. Became human Tell me once again, with a straight face that you don't think the Word is referring to Jesus. Who else could this possibly apply to? Now I'm not moving or getting sidetracked from this very simple question, so stop moving the conversation away from John 1.+1
@knpstrr - 2021-07-21 07:50:02
@alexwr Friend, your points have already been addressed. It is true the Word is God. That the Word was with God from the very beginning. God spoke everything into existence. He used his word to create everything out of nothing. Of a truth the Word was made flesh. God was not made human. The Word was made flesh. Truly he dwelt among us, in his Son, Jesus Christ. When you say "Jesus" you are referring to the Son of God, or as you call him "God the Son". The Son of God was not God, he was the son of God. God is God. There is only one God. Who else could it apply to? It applies to God. You wrote the scripture, "the Word was God". "THE WORD WAS GOD". It does not say "The Word was God the Son". Scripture says God created everything by himself Isaiah 44:24! How is this? Because the Word is God just as John says. And there is only one God, God Almighty the Father to our Lord Jesus Christ his only begotten Son. The scripture speaks truth! Abandon the doctrine of men! EDIT: You wrote "God became human" which is an error - you think this because people have told you that the man Christ Jesus was a "person of God". "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent:" Numbers 23:19 "God is a Spirit" John 4:24+1
@hmm7372 - 2022-07-21 07:50:01
U should look in to islam, u seems to be a intellectual chad i see from your contents , who actually does the research and dosnt believe blindly+1
@marlak1104 - 2022-07-21 07:50:01
So close and yet so far away.+1
@conradowaves - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
#MorePodcastsLikeThese+2
@skyworm8006 - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
It's not that they didn't believe in their gods, it's mixing up definitions. Gods were bound by time. Treating them as characters or aspects of the universe is only one part, they are the general cultural background for the interplay of a variety of ideas and motifs. And there were many more gods and other beings than just the codified pantheons (which are mainly aristocratic staples). One thing about premoderns is that they generally didn't think in simplistic, systematic ways that are easy to parse for us. The Christian god also has this origin but later grew to be more like a vessel for personifying philosophical ideas, mainly out of the influence of pagan philosophy. By the original sense of 'god', as in the origin of this exact word, Christianity is basically godless. Not in the sense as being unholy or distant from the divine but as in literally not having gods unless you interpret saints as gods because they definitely fill a similar role. Though in reality the vast majority of Christians that ever lived believed in many otherworldly beings so long as they're sufficiently subset-y.+2
@connorohare229 - 2024-07-21 07:50:01
God IS+1
@nonames9935 - 2022-07-21 07:50:01
Stoicism is like black pill. It's meant for the favella dwellers.+3
@wealthy_classare_criminals1521 - 2023-07-21 07:50:02
It is a Holy Pill ( too white and bright ) that few can endure it to experience pure bliss!+1
@slackingsource - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
Luke, I've been wondering, would you study Greek or Hebrew for learning about Theology+2
@slackingsource - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
@Τάσος Would you recommend studying Latin instead first then? I was considering learning the Greek largely because the Septuagint I hear it's highly accurate, I mean, I'd like to learn of the OT and what Jesus' contemporaries would study.+3
@rothbardfreedom - 2021-07-21 07:50:01
Checkout Trump Reads Genesis on YouTube.+2
@dreammfyre - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
Why are a lot of Christians so focused on the Old Testament is my question. Isn’t that kind of irrelevant, or at least shouldn’t be a focus, if god incarnated(aka Jesus) walked on earth and spread his word later on?+2
@alexwr - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
Because the entirety of the OT is pointing towards the coming of Jesus? Not to mention that it contains a hell of a lot of prophesies about Christ in there. Jesus was God, so anything God did, Jesus was a part of it.+7
@Chordus_Gaius - 2022-07-21 07:50:03
Christos the Logos (Sorry for my very poor Greek)+1
@colonel-klink14 - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
For anyone who is unsure about their salvation please check out Renee Roland on YouTube, it really is all about Jesus!!!+1
@skycakecrunch - 2023-07-21 07:50:03
bird is the word+1
@chrisrosenkreuz23 - 2023-07-21 07:50:03
Amor Fati+2
@Cinemagoer_64 - 2024-07-21 07:50:04
Absolutely!+2
@gustavoeduard4372 - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
Luke christian?+6
@MarkHobbes - 2021-07-21 07:50:04
He looks and behaves like an atheist tho+10
@hineko_ - 2021-07-21 07:50:04
Clearly his is muslim. We never seen him eating pork!+5
@tomverlaine728 - 2021-07-21 07:50:04
@MarkHobbes How does he behave like an athiest?+1
@PirateFunk - 2021-07-21 07:50:04
@tomverlaine728 He probably means Luke doesn't behave like the typical American Evangelical.+3
@humilitas990 - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
You overgeneralize Gnosticism by saying that they thought the world was 'evil.' According to Valentinus, the Demiurge didn't know who he was or where he came from and therefore created the world imperfectly. Once he saw this, he regretted what he had done and sent down a redeemer, to which Christ, the spirit of the highest God, attached himself.+2
@vivekpanchagnula815 - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
sugoi+4
@MrNeilypops - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
There is no God.I am an atheist.+2
@kityacat5419 - 2021-07-21 07:50:04
Ok+5
@shamusson - 2021-07-21 07:50:04
Ok+2
@kry9324 - 2022-07-21 07:50:04
Ok+2
@mohammedmohammed519 - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
Good stuff+1
@holymegadave - 2021-07-21 07:50:04
God stuff+6
@censoredterminalautism4073 - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
This is good. I tend to be most fond of the more philosophical and experimental side of religious ideas. Organized religions themselves are just a simplification of those ideas, to keep the brainlet masses in line, but you can still reverse engineer them and get some interesting ideas out of at least most of them. I definitely believe that the world (specifically this planet, not necessarily anything else) is inherently evil, though, whether it was intended to be this way or not. Fortunately, everything that is part of the world, or generated by it, inherits its evil properties, and human beings are the ultimate form of that, at least in the present. Humanity's thirst for power made it so destructive that it is both the ultimate disease and the ultimate cure. It's our world's way of committing suicide, and I hope it succeeds, because if it doesn't, the result will not be pleasant. Personally, I only want to distance myself from the world as much as possible, and not perpetuate its evil. Maybe prevent it from perpetuating to some extent, but that's not really the point.+3
@censoredterminalautism4073 - 2021-07-21 07:50:05
@cibulis Nope. You are not talking to an atheist here. I never said that priests just made it up. Religion comes from philosophical ideas, but it's only a lower form of the original ideas, adapted for the masses, taking their limitations into consideration, and that tends to be corrupted over time. The people behind those ideas were generally not that rigid and limited, but most people don't understand ideas, so they get a rigid dogma that doesn't allow for discussion, and never get to be part of what is going on behind the scenes. They don't even know where the ideas originally came from. Unfortunately, that leads the religions to stagnate and slowly lose sight of what they were originally about. There is a lot of truth in almost all religions, but unfortunately, the masses turn everything they touch into poison. I don't feel very coherent right now, but I hope that made sense. Maybe it's because I slept too much, and haven't eaten in like, 40 hours.+4
@busterbrown8830 - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
I have absolutely no idea what he is talking about. Mind numbing. I can't see without Luke's sunglasses. Where are they?+1
@A_Box - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
Call me a fedora but I just think the world is indifferent. Causality is about as rational as it gets but there is no purpose to anything, sorry.+4
@eotengeryne - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
Tbh Jesus is based+5
@Cinemagoer_64 - 2024-07-21 07:50:05
Did you mean biased?+1
@amoghnath3330 - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
A terry in making+3
@fee-yuna - 2021-07-21 07:50:03
Algo+1
@Kuudere-Kun - 2022-07-21 07:50:03
Thing is Stoicism itself was Semitic influence on the Greek world, Zeno was a Phoenician and it wouldn't surprise me if he was a Danite or Asherite, I think the Hebrew Bible is the basis for a lot of Stoic Theology, Dabar=Logos, Ruwach-Pneuma, Chockmah-Sophia ect. Neoplatonism is antithetical to The New Testament, the way it was adopted by later Greek and Roman Christian is the source of a lot of what went wrong in The Church.+1
@Kuudere-Kun - 2022-07-21 07:50:05
The original Stoics were actually very much Libertines sexually, later Roman Stoics however mixed their Stoicism with Plato's Laws and it's "Para Phusis" sexual morality, Paul quotes that morality in chapter 1 of Romans to then spend the rest of the Epistle refuting it.+1
@ikengaspirit3063 - 2022-07-21 07:50:05
@Kuudere-Kun So you are basically agreeing that the Jews and Muslims were right about Christians being lawless?+1
@Kuudere-Kun - 2022-07-21 07:50:05
@ikengaspirit3063 We certainly don't support the "Laws" of Plato. We also not under the Letter of the Law of Moses anymore, and Muhammad also Muslims don't have to follow The Jewish law, modern Muslim Apologists co-opting the the Legalists arguments of the Hebrew Roots movement are defaming their Prophet.+1
@Kuudere-Kun - 2022-07-21 07:50:05
@ikengaspirit3063 Christian have One Law, Love your Neighbor as you Love yourself.+1
@ikengaspirit3063 - 2022-07-21 07:50:05
@Kuudere-Kun That's not really a Law system, at least not comparable to the Quran or any modern constitution. It is most comparable to what is "the spirit of the law" in most actually developed laws. In other words, like "Love God with all your heart and love your Neighbour as yourself" is analogous to Spinoza's "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour, that is the whole Torah, the rest is commentary(Elaboration)". Where is the Elaboration of Christian law as its own law system, like all other coherent forms of Law would dictate because that Love quote is as useless as no law at all given its high subjectivity.+1
@Kuudere-Kun - 2022-07-21 07:50:05
@ikengaspirit3063 The Spirit of The Law is what should matter. As Commander William Riker once said "since when is Justice ever as simple as a rule book?"+1
@mathisblair2798 - 2022-07-21 07:50:03
All things are bound together by fate... LUNINOUS BEINGS ARE WE, NOT THIS CRUDE MATTER.... The force is all around us? It binds us together? Hehehehehhehe+1
@tribbybueno - 2024-07-21 07:50:03
yikes+1
@buddy.boyo88 - 2022-07-21 07:50:03
the Church : You MUST trust the divine plan ! me: ok, what is the plan ? C : we don't know, it's a secret plan m: so how do we trust it ? C : you must have faith ! m: ok, how do we do that ? C:you can't do it yourself, faith is a gift received through grace! m: so what do I do to get grace C : you can't get grace unless you were elected before all time m: what about the unelected? C: fuck 'em! m: but if the unelected have no choice does that mean they are innocent if they can't trust the secret plan? c : no they are sinners who deserve eternal torture! m: Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will? c: But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this? m: I have a lot of work, have a nice day C : COME BACK REEEEE!!!+5
@buddy.boyo88 - 2022-07-21 07:50:05
@Guiscard it's in the bable+1
@zrinovidnica - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
Read Aquinas! READ AQUINAS!+5
@dejanzabaljac6950 - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
vir acri animi probe novit coram Deo+1
@ashwin372 - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
In 2020 i became an atheist+4
@johanb.7869 - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
Me I can't remember what year.+1
@ashwin372 - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
BallOnEm PBS that's not true its English calendar 2020. We have different calendars in different places dont be ignorant+1
@bany512 - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
well no. you cannot even compare the reality of Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection with some foolish secular ideas.+1
@kali_yuga4140 - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
Is he religious or something? I'm not religious at all and tbh, I find believe in an invisible magical space ghost ridiculous and I will never waste my time with weird stuff like that. I like the movie Religulous with Bill Maher where he talks to people that believe in such nonsense... https://pastebin.com/kCsCNVTU+4
@kali_yuga4140 - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
@EdgyPuer reddit? I don't get it...+1
@kali_yuga4140 - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
@K F Okay, because I recommend a Movie that mocks religion I'm hopeless? Where do you get your Ideas from? The Bible perhaps?+1
@elclippo4182 - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
Agnostoichrist+1
@Discriminator - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
лол, а что там Мэддисон и Светов делают?+2
@The_Nekromantzer - 2022-07-21 07:50:06
the universe is irrational and demonic. lol+1
@ShonePizza - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
Таки попал украинский наци на экран.+4
@forgiveness_denied - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
а чого український, він американець ж+2
@mrskilz4thrilz - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
Indiana Jones & the cult of Luke Smith+2
@BigBangLuv3r - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
More Christian posting please+3
@ArtistinDeadlight777 - 2022-07-21 07:50:06
What's with this poor use of the word logos? I assume it's similar to how Christians perverted the word noble. An anti-christian word. Logos is the result of concrete realities like realizing that a group of 5 can take out a single man, even if he is stronger. Most pro-social behaviors come from the law of the jungle, from the fact that a group of 5 can beat a single man, as counterintuitive as it sounds, and even if it makes Christians cry. Logos merely refers to logic in rhetorics by Aristotle, please stop perverting philosophy with Christian theology. Aristotle was not Christian, and Socrates was killed because he preached a proto-Christian morality while ignoring the story's metaphors. Fraud.+2
@uncle_esau - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
Deus vult+1
@dorklymorkly3290 - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
No. Nothing hebrew is real.+2
@duckeggcarbonara - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
Thrasymacus BTFO+1
@Throwingness - 2022-07-21 07:50:06
Oh, no. You're a PhD computer guy and you say "One of the only"? Talk about bad grammar. Think this out. How many are there when you have only? One. So it's like you're saying "One of the one". Choose a set that has more than one. Like few. One of the few. Good content btw.+1
@Andy-si1pl - 2023-07-21 07:50:07
one of the only two or three things I like about this video are....+1
@michaelmagee4318 - 2024-07-21 07:50:06
It is pronounced 'log os' not 'low goes'+1
@unknowntwo9868 - 2022-07-21 07:50:06
I like Stoicism, but the bible seems like primitive ravings of madmen to me. I don't think I could be Christian. I'm also not straight so people like those on this channel fight against my right to be treated decently by society. I think people should study Buddhism alongside Stoicism as it is also a guide to develop into emotionally strong people.+2
@Miskeen-33 - 2022-07-21 07:50:07
No most christians aren't opposed to your right it's a sin not a crime. Examples of sins that are not crimes Lying (In most situations), blasphemy (in some countries), LGBT (also in some countries) also note most countries with laws against LGBT or blasphemy are actually Islamic not Christian, women church leaders (it's a sin for women to lead the church), greed, lust, fornication (in most countries), adultery (might help with a divorce case but you cannot be jailed for adultery), envy, not loving God with all your heart, not being loving and charitable to your fellow man, hate. You get my point a lot of things are sins that shouldn't be criminalized. These things should be criticized In the church so that members become the best selves they can. Now two more sins that shouldn't be illegal masturbation/porn, gluttony. There we go I made my case and I like my case. As I'm Christian and I believe Christ died for our sins I would like to tell you about God. God is great and the only good thing there is. God knows you are not perfect but to make it into heaven you must be perfect. So you might wonder how does anyone make it if nobody is good enough to make it? Well the answer lies in God himself. God offered himself as the perfect sacrifice for your redemption. All you have to do is believe in Christ, and live for him (giving up sin for your love of God and fear of God) God is real. Nothing cannot come from nothing that is ignorant and there are only two active ways everything was created. Either randomly nothing happened to be become everything or God spoke and it was. I perfer the more logical explanation being God. There are truly no contradictions in the bible only mistranslations and misunderstandings. There is tons of archaeology and history which makes God's word evidentially true. And there is a lot of moral and philosophical reasoning for why God is real for example God promises eternal life for belief and if God does not exist everything ends and you have no reason and life is just gone, if God does exist than believing in and loving him is the only rational response. So I'm effectively using pascal's wager. Your life has ultimate value under God without God everything ends and everything is simply chemical reactions. I would be fine with being swallowed by the void but I perfer (philosophically, emotionally, and logically) God. Please repent and come to God he loves you but he hates your sin and living in sin is an insult to God.+4
@chico9805 - 2024-07-21 07:50:07
Homosexuality is a vice, a sin like any other. The fact you're personified and identified yourself in sin should be very concerning.+1
@disposablehero1235 - 2022-07-21 07:50:06
i reject stoicism.+2
@wowulam7411 - 2023-07-21 07:50:07
cool+2
@GeneraluStelaru - 2021-07-21 07:50:06
Bullcrap+4
@wealthy_classare_criminals1521 - 2023-07-21 07:50:07
You are now null and void!+1
@GeneraluStelaru - 2023-07-21 07:50:07
LOL+1
@Chad48309 - 2021-07-21 07:50:08
I woke up today and was unsubbed from your channel. Hmmmmmm 🧐+3
@Chad48309 - 2021-07-21 07:50:08
X you’re wrong, they’re actually bug people. I’m sure of it.+2
@maheshsundaram8012 - 2021-07-21 07:50:08
I'm very surprised that you're religious+1
@maheshsundaram8012 - 2021-07-21 07:50:08
@Claude Myshkin Because he acts very much like a materialistic atheist. But anyways, it's good to believe in God.+3
@maheshsundaram8012 - 2021-07-21 07:50:08
@Claude Myshkin Thank you and God Bless You too!+1
@michaelmagee4318 - 2024-07-21 07:50:08
Amateur hour in the comments section. I am sure science will save us+1
@senpie-i1f - 2021-07-21 07:50:08
deus vult+3
@danmorris4904 - 2021-07-21 07:50:08
Linux > TempleOS+2
@ewout4890 - 2021-07-21 07:50:08
39 min uh what+1
@OthorgonalOctroon - 2025-02-21 08:50:08
>the jews rejected jesus because they wanted a military messiah LOL taking Paul's lies as gospel, really showing your bias there. a more natural reason, because a suffering messiah was part of some jewish theology (read), is that the jesus stuff is obviously made up and is blasphemy against the torah.+1
@Metro8k - 2025-06-21 07:50:09
So they released Barabbas for no reason?+1
@OthorgonalOctroon - 2025-06-21 07:50:09
@Metro8k Barabbas is a blatant literary creation, just as Jesus is. His name is "son of the father", that story mythically conveys the gospel, after all there was no such custom where Pilate of all people (he got stepped down for killing too many jews) would release an insurrectionist. The gospels are mythology, not history. Mark is literally about a dying-and-rising god, a common mythological trope of the time (Osiris, Romulus, Inanna, Tamuz etc.), is largely lifted from the Old Testament, has demons speaking, and has stories that make no literal sense such as the cleansing of the temple and the Judas narrative, the temple authorities knew who Jesus was and could get him at any time, no betrayal was necessary, and especially no kiss. Jesus (Joshua) was one of the most common names in Israel yet only one person in any of the gospels has it. Matthew, Luke and John (anonymously written) also did not read Mark as history but freely rewrote the mythology for their own ends (removing the jewishness from christianity, and making jesus divine in the latter)+1
@karoladamczak3032 - 2021-07-21 07:50:08
OK boomer, but i'd rather read Nietzsche+3
@wealthy_classare_criminals1521 - 2023-07-21 07:50:09
He is a millennial+1